[sags]

Interesting video, but I would think Abedin would have high security clearances and would have been thoroughly vetted by the CIA, FBI and Homeland Security.

A conspiracy would have to involve the complicity of those agencies, and would have required them to remain silent for decades.

If that be the case, then the state of the free world is in worse shape than many imagine.

That is not to say that the US hasn't had a questionable relationship with Saudi Arabia for decades. We are only now learning of roles that Saudi Arabia played in the 9/11 attack and their ties to terrorism around the world.

I remember when George H. Bush sent the US military to free Kuwait from Saddam Hussein's invasion.

At the time, in order to placate concerned citizens, Bush stated that Kuwait had agreed to sweeping changes.

After Hussein was forced back into Iraq, all that was forgotten and Kuwait continued to govern as per usual.

I recently watched a documentary on the history of oil.....from it's first discoveries to Iran to SA to offshore drilling and shale.

The history of oil discovery raises and answers many questions about the state of world affairs today.

One could correctly say........much of the world's problems are directly tied to oil.

The transition to alternative fuels is being fought by oil related interests, foreign governments, and those who understand that dependence on oil has given them a great undue influence on world affairs.

It is those same special interests who attack climate change science to delay the transition of power and influence.

It seems a conflict to me, that the same people who stridently oppose radical Islam also support continued reliance on oil.

Where do they think the money that supports terrorism is coming from.......bake sales ?

 

[sags]

Donald Trump isn't the solution to many of the problems his supporters bring up.

He is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

He talks about corporate welfare, but participates in it wholeheartedly.

He talks about foreign trade deals, but has his products produced in cheap labor countries.

He talks about illegal immigrants taking American jobs, but hires them at his businesses.

He talks about strengthening the US military, but hasn't paid taxes to support the spending and got a draft deferral himself.

He talks about addressing US debt, but went bankrupt 4 times.

Is there anything that Donald Trump advocates............that he has actually practiced in his own business life ?

I posted early in this thread that Donald Trump is a chameleon. A phony, a fake.......a trojan horse.

He has no more interest in helping average Americans than the Koch brothers do.

People like Donald Trump live in a different world than the rest of us.

 

[SMK]

It's peculiar and perhaps not a coincidence that Abedin, raised in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere until 18, quickly became a teenage WH intern at 19, and has remained by Hillary's side ever since.

Also interesting how she's become a top adviser to Clinton with just a Bachelor of Arts degree.

The Clintons haven't had much luck with their "assigned" or hand-picked interns.

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,2023831,00.html?iid=redirect-40under40

 

[sags]

In the US, the choice of President is between a billionaire and a multi-millionaire.

Both claim concern for the "working people", but both live well above the fray.

In Canada, we chose the wealthiest candidate as leader, and although Justin Trudeau has a few dollars in a trust fund, they needed to sell their home to get the money to buy their next one...........just like most other Canadians would have to do.

Quite a difference in leaders to choose from.

 

[TomB19]

He talks about corporate welfare, but participates in it wholeheartedly.

To be fair, if Trump did not take best advantage of the tax code and ran less profitable companies, his opponents would be attacking him about that too.

I believe Trump is sincere in his wish to tighten loopholes and he probably has a reasonable handle on it. I don't think for one second that he could do it. Congress would never pass it. Their owners wouldn't allow it.

Hillary isn't going to be able to do much fixing, either.

 

[TomB19]

Speaking of classified material, the US is releasing classified CIA documents about the JFK assassination in 2017.

Researchers are hoping there will be some new information that could shed light on what happened that day.

Republicans should hold a few thousand congressional hearings on the subject. I'm sure they could break that case wide open. lol!

 

[TomB19]

In Canada, we chose the wealthiest candidate as leader, and although Justin Trudeau has a few dollars in a trust fund, they needed to sell their home to get the money to buy their next one...........just like most other Canadians would have to do.

Quite a difference in leaders to choose from.

... and yet Canadians continue to be laid off and replaced with non-Canadian workers from overseas. It is exactly like the Harper years.

It's tough to conjure a scenario in which both parties are not owned by big interests.

 

[lonewolf :)]

To be fair, if Trump did not take best advantage of the tax code and ran less profitable companies, his opponents would be attacking him about that too.

I believe Trump is sincere in his wish to tighten loopholes and he probably has a reasonable handle on it. I don't think for one second that he could do it. Congress would never pass it. Their owners wouldn't allow it.

Hillary isn't going to be able to do much fixing, either.

Hillary gets money for supplying countries with arms through her foundation, Merkel has helped to destroy Europe with bringing in radicals. Isis flags flying in Sweden, rape has gone through the roof etc. Hillary wants to do the same who is donating to her foundation ? Islam radicals say they are going to take over Europe & North America by having lots of babies & out number us. Check out some of the you tube videos of the immigration problems & the way of live the radicals want to bring to the world. Political correctness is destrying Europe it seams Isis has bought off the political leaders & a lot of the press. Anyone that is against the immigration of the radicals is called racist.

 

[mordko]

In the US, the choice of President is between a billionaire and a multi-millionaire.

Both claim concern for the "working people", but both live well above the fray.

In Canada, we chose the wealthiest candidate as leader, and although Justin Trudeau has a few dollars in a trust fund, they needed to sell their home to get the money to buy their next one...........just like most other Canadians would have to do.

Quite a difference in leaders to choose from.

Oh, please. Arguing that the son of Pierre Trudeau is like "most other Canadians" (or ever has been) is laughable. It's a f-ing dynasty.

 

[tygrus]

Again, judgement is the taste test here.

Think of clinton and her staff as mid level people in a corporation who want to move up to CEO. So first of all she flouts official security policy, gets caught, deletes information and then lies about it under oath. Then her most trusted advisor doesnt have enough sense to see she is married to a pedo. There is no corporation in the world that would put these people in on top. Yet somehow they are qualified enough to run a country.

 

[new dog]

Hillary gets money for supplying countries with arms through her foundation, Merkel has helped to destroy Europe with bringing in radicals. Isis flags flying in Sweden, rape has gone through the roof etc. Hillary wants to do the same who is donating to her foundation ? Islam radicals say they are going to take over Europe & North America by having lots of babies & out number us. Check out some of the you tube videos of the immigration problems & the way of live the radicals want to bring to the world. Political correctness is destrying Europe it seams Isis has bought off the political leaders & a lot of the press. Anyone that is against the immigration of the radicals is called racist.

Good post lonewolf.

 

[mordko]

Again, judgement is the taste test here.

Think of clinton and her staff as mid level people in a corporation who want to move up to CEO. So first of all she flouts official security policy, gets caught, deletes information and then lies about it under oath. Then her most trusted advisor doesnt have enough sense to see she is married to a pedo. There is no corporation in the world that would put these people in on top. Yet somehow they are qualified enough to run a country.

Then again, Trump would fail an interview for any position beyond janitorial. The only reason he is not unemployed is that he started his career working for his dad who passed on the fortune.

 

[bass player]

Then again, Trump would fail an interview for any position beyond janitorial. The only reason he is not unemployed is that he started his career working for his dad who passed on the fortune.

Yeah...people did business with Trump for decades only because of his father, lol. When Hillary supporters don't have facts, they just make stuff up.

If a security check was done today, Hillary would fail and be ineligible for office.

 

[tygrus]

Then again, Trump would fail an interview for any position beyond janitorial. The only reason he is not unemployed is that he started his career working for his dad who passed on the fortune.

Trump built and ran something at least. He survived this long in the business. He might have had business problems, bankruptcy, etc, but his actions didnt translate across the globe like clintons did.

 

[bass player]

Again, judgement is the taste test here.

Think of clinton and her staff as mid level people in a corporation who want to move up to CEO. So first of all she flouts official security policy, gets caught, deletes information and then lies about it under oath. Then her most trusted advisor doesnt have enough sense to see she is married to a pedo. There is no corporation in the world that would put these people in on top. Yet somehow they are qualified enough to run a country.

Weiner's pedophile tendencies were exposed in 2013...so Huma knew then, yet she stayed married to him. This woman has appalling judgement and has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, and if Hillary is elected, she may end up as Secretary of State.

But, Trump said something nasty and that makes him unfit, lol.

 

[mordko]

Trump built and ran something at least. He survived this long in the business. He might have had business problems, bankruptcy, etc, but his actions didnt translate across the globe like clintons did.

That's true, but did he do it well? Up to 90s his father was running it. Then Trump managed to achieve a humongous loss at the very time when the real estate was booming. And for quite some time now he has been focused on his career of a reality star while his children have been running the business. How does that qualify him exactly? Does he have any public office experience?

 

[tygrus]

I dont think people realize what will happen here.

The very least, Abedin will be guilty of perjury and fired from the campaign.

Some of 33,000 missing emails are probably on that computer. Could be a smoking gun in there.

Through actions of clinton original server fiasco, her emails got outside the US govt security apparatus onto the laptop of some 3rd rate disgraced congressman. A clear violation of security and clearly out in the open vulnerable to hacking. The cause was clinton herself. I am sure the 650,000 emails are more than idle girl talk.

But lets say none of that happens and its all forgot about and she wins the election. She goes into her 'presidency' as a wounded incumbent much like nixon. She will be faced with an invigorated GOP who will block everything and she will be under active investigation for at least the first 6 months of her term. She could face articles of impeachment. Basically a country in turmoil for better part of 4 years if she survives.

Tell me how on earth this scenario is better than trump at this point?

 

[Nelley]

That's true, but did he do it well? Up to 90s his father was running it. Then Trump managed to achieve a humongous loss at the very time when the real estate was booming. And for quite some time now he has been focused on his career of a reality star while his children have been running the business. How does that qualify him exactly? Does he have any public office experience?

Typical Moronko post-devoid of logic, facts or intelligence.

 

[Nelley]

I dont think people realize what will happen here.

The very least, Abedin will be guilty of perjury and fired from the campaign.

Some of 33,000 missing emails are probably on that computer. Could be a smoking gun in there.

Through actions of clinton original server fiasco, her emails got outside the US govt security apparatus onto the laptop of some 3rd rate disgraced congressman. A clear violation of security and clearly out in the open vulnerable to hacking. The cause was clinton herself. I am sure the 650,000 emails are more than idle girl talk.

But lets say none of that happens and its all forgot about and she wins the election. She goes into her 'presidency' as a wounded incumbent much like nixon. She will be faced with an invigorated GOP who will block everything and she will be under active investigation for at least the first 6 months of her term. She could face articles of impeachment. Basically a country in turmoil for better part of 4 years if she survives.

Tell me how on earth this scenario is better than trump at this point?

One thing people are missing-if this is a 5 year old laptop-650000/5 equals 130000 emails a year equals 356 emails a day day in day out-there is no way that is just one persons emails-it looks like everything was downloaded to Weiners laptop as a backup.

 

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Scott Adams on why James Comey did what he did:

"So allow me to offer an interpretation of events that casts Comey as more of a patriot and hero than an ***-covering weasel. Compare my interpretation with whatever movie you have in your head and see which one works best for explaining and predicting.

My movie says Comey had good evidence against Clinton during the initial investigation but made a judgement call to leave the decision to the American public. For reasons of conscience, and acting as a patriot, Comey explained in clear language to the public exactly what evidence the FBI found against Clinton. The evidence looked damning because it was. Under this interpretation, Comey took a bullet to his reputation for the sake of the Republic. He didn’t want the FBI to steal this important decision away from the people, but at the same time he couldn’t let the people decide blind. So he divulged the evidence and stepped away, like the action hero who doesn’t look back at the explosion.

In the second act of this movie, Comey learns that the Weiner laptop had emails that were so damning it would be a crime against the public to allow them to vote without first seeing a big red flag. And a flag was the best he could do because it was too early in the investigation to leak out bits and pieces of the evidence. That would violate Clinton’s rights.

But Comey couldn’t easily raise a red flag to warn the public because it was against FBI policy to announce a criminal investigation about a candidate so close to election day. So Comey had a choice of either taking another bullet for the Republic or screwing the very country that he has spent his career protecting.

In this movie, Comey did the hero thing. He alerted the public to the fact that the FBI found DISQUALIFYING information on the Weiner laptop. And he took a second bullet to his reputation."

Full blog post:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152531307171/james-comey-as-seen-through-the-persuasion