[Nelley]

Nelley, this is a reasonable post, however your final sentence is exactly my point. You do not know anything about me, yet you say 'the level of intellect of people like you." My IQ is in the 99th percentile of the population. That type of comment is just plain rude and disrespectful.

Sure-you are real smart-why don't you try posting something halfway intelligent once in a while? Listen-your last 3 long winded posts are just ridiculous-in fact I don't recall you ever even trying to post anything informative.

 

[wraphter]

Details of the Paula Jones settlement:

In the end, Independent Counsel Ray said:
"The Independent Counsel’s judgment that sufficient evidence existed to prosecute President Clinton was confirmed by President Clinton’s admissions and by evidence showing that he engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice."
More specifically, the Independent Counsel concluded that President Clinton testified falsely on three counts under oath in Clinton v. Jones. However, Ray chose to decline criminal prosecution in favor of what the Principles of Federal Prosecution call "alternative sanctions". This included being impeached:

"As a consequence of his conduct in the Jones v. Clinton civil suit and before the federal grand jury, President Clinton incurred significant administrative sanctions. The Independent Counsel considered seven non-criminal alternative sanctions that were imposed in making his decision to decline prosecution: (1) President Clinton’s admission of providing false testimony that was knowingly misleading, evasive, and prejudicial to the administration of justice before the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas; (2) his acknowledgement that his conduct violated the Rules of Professional Conduct of the Arkansas Supreme Court; (3) the five-year suspension of his license to practice law and $25,000 fine imposed on him by the Circuit Court of Pulaski County, Arkansas; (4) the civil contempt penalty of more than $900,000 imposed on President Clinton by the federal court for violating its orders; (5) the payment of more than $850,000 in settlement to Paula Jones; (6) the express finding by the federal court that President Clinton had engaged in contemptuous conduct; and (7) the substantial public condemnation of President Clinton arising from his impeachment."

In addition to the $850,000 to Paula Jones, there was a $900,000 civil contempt penalty .

Is it any surprise the Clinton Foundation was so sleazy?


Is it any surprise he went on board AG Loretta Lynch's airplane?

Bill got $500,000 for a speech in Moscow while in the Uranium One deal was being approved by the US govt.

And no, changing the subject to Trump's sleaziness isn't a sufficient answer.

The judge could have prosecuted him criminally.

Hillary stayed married to Bill.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Defend your sacred cow if you must.

 

[sags]

The timing of FBI Director Comey's letter to Congress is indeed strange.

The FBI has known about the emails for weeks, yet are only now asking a judge for a search warrant to examine the shared laptop.

How did FBI investigators know the laptop contained emails if they haven't examined it yet ?

Comey is under heavy pressure to release the emails publicly, but he can't because the FBI don't have them.

Strange things are afoot indeed.

 

[TomB19]

That's a wrap.

 

[TomB19]

Birds of a feather flock together.

Guilt by association is for people with extreme low morals.

I'm sure someone you've known or been with, at some point in your life, engaged in criminal activity. Let's lock you up for their wrongdoing. That appears to be the only method that might demonstrate how ignorant you are acting. Even at that, I'm not sure it would take.

 

[olivaw]

Trump lawyers given court date over lawsuit alleging rape of 13-year-old. .

A federal judge in New York has ordered counsel for Donald Trump and the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein to appear in court along with the attorney for a woman referred to only as “Jane Doe” who alleges the Republican presidential nominee raped her when she was 13.

Judge Ronnie Abrams has slated an initial status conference in the civil lawsuit for 16 December in a New York district court.

The order raises the extraordinary prospect, were Trump to win the 8 November battle for the White House, of counsel for a US president-elect being called into federal court in proceedings relating to allegations of rape of an underage girl.

OFC, an unproven allegation should not be held against a candidate but it is a poor strategy for the Trump side to bring up Jeffrey Epstein. Glass houses and all that.

 

[TomB19]

Is it any surprise the Clinton Foundation was so sleazy?

This is a low, even for you. You are a sleaze bag.

The Clinton foundation has brought water to many millions of people in the third world, along with health care and education. With their work to fight AIDS, they might just keep you from getting it.

Between Bill Gates and Bill Clinton, the third world is a massively better place. To attempt to smear that work is really, really low.

Why don't you go back to making things up about Hillary? You could explain to us that all 30K emails are gross violations of national security. Also, I'd like you to explain to us how you have come to the conclusion she is guilty for sending email that is unclassified and later becomes classified by topic.

Step up. Give us a good laugh.

 

[sags]

The WSJ reports the FBI has 650,000 emails to go through.

This could take awhile...........probably more than 8 days.

Speaking of classified material, the US is releasing classified CIA documents about the JFK assassination in 2017.

Researchers are hoping there will be some new information that could shed light on what happened that day.

 

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To one one's surprise...once again a weiner gets the Clinton's in trouble...

 

[olivaw]

Fake news on this thread.

Relevant to this thread ... CNN Money: The plague of fake news is getting worse -- here's how to protect yourself http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/30/media/facebook-fake-news-plague/

A recent BuzzFeed study of "hyperpartisan Facebook pages" found that these pages "are consistently feeding their millions of followers false or misleading information."

The less truthful the content, the more frequently it was shared -- which does not bode well for the nation's news literacy during a long, bitter election season.

"Right-wing pages were more prone to sharing false or misleading information than left-wing pages," the BuzzFeed reporting team said.

On a few occasions, made-up or highly misleading stories have even snuck into Facebook's "trending" box -- a problem that the company says it is trying to address.

In a few cases, Trump aides and family members have themselves been duped by fake news stories, including a hoax version of ABC News with a story headlined "Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: 'I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump's Rally.'"

Most posters try to post honest, verified information. Unfortunately two or three frequent posters here tend towards promoting fake news stories.

 

[wraphter]

Guilt by association is for people with extreme low morals.

I'm sure someone you've known or been with, at some point in your life, engaged in criminal activity. Let's lock you up for their wrongdoing. That appears to be the only method that might demonstrate how ignorant you are acting. Even at that, I'm not sure it would take.

Very poor post. You are getting personal . Too much ad hominem posting. Lack of respect for your fellow poster. Stick to the issues.

There is evidence that likes attract for a relationship to work.
So Bill and Hill Have the same moral deficiencies.

Birds of a feather really do flock together.

Opposites DON'T attract: We're more drawn to like-minded people and couples with similar interests stay together longer
How similar two people are plays an important role in future interactions
Selecting partners with similar values could be a 'psychological default'
Couples are especially similar on the things that matter most to them

 

[wraphter]

Trump lawyers given court date over lawsuit alleging rape of 13-year-old. .



OFC, an unproven allegation should not be held against a candidate but it is a poor strategy for the Trump side to bring up Jeffrey Epstein. Glass houses and all that.

Trump side? Not me. Just your pejorative imagination. Typical smear from olivaw.

You strangely forgot to mention that this case was dismissed in California.

The woman — identified as Katie Johnson — filed documents in a California court on April 26, accusing Trump and billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein of “sexual abuse under threat of harm” and “conspiracy to deprive civil rights,” RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

She filed the lawsuit herself — without legal representation — and is suing for $100 million.

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According to RadarOnline's initial reporting, the lawsuit filed in California on 26 April 2016 was dismissed over technical filing errors (the address listed in court documents was a foreclosed home that has been vacant since its owner died), with the plaintiff failing in her attempt to avoid incurring the cost of the litigation:

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A judge recommended on April 29 that “Katie Johnson” should have to pay her own attorneys’ fees and court costs related to the $100 million lawsuit she brought against Trump and billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein over alleged sexual assault charges. Then on May 2, a U.S. District judge ordered the entire lawsuit thrown out.

.............
For his part, Trump asserted that the charges were “not only categorically false, but disgusting at the highest level and clearly framed to solicit media attention or, perhaps, are simply politically motivated,” adding that “There is absolutely no merit to these allegations. Period."

On 20 June 2016, New York City-based blog Gothamist reported that the plaintiff had refiled a similar complaint in a New York State federal court:

A federal lawsuit filed in New York accuses Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of repeatedly raping a 13-year-old girl more than 20 years ago, at several Upper East Side parties hosted by convicted sex offender and notorious billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein.

The suit, first reported by the Real Deal, accuses Trump and Epstein of luring the anonymous plaintiff and other young women to four parties at Epstein's so-called Wexner Mansion at 9 East 71st Street. Epstein allegedly lured the plaintiff, identified in the suit only as Jane Doe, with promises of a modeling career and cash.

 

[wraphter]

This is a low, even for you. You are a sleaze bag.

The Clinton foundation has brought water to many millions of people in the third world, along with health care and education. With their work to fight AIDS, they might just keep you from getting it.

Between Bill Gates and Bill Clinton, the third world is a massively better place. To attempt to smear that work is really, really low.

Why don't you go back to making things up about Hillary? You could explain to us that all 30K emails are gross violations of national security. Also, I'd like you to explain to us how you have come to the conclusion she is guilty for sending email that is unclassified and later becomes classified by topic.

Step up. Give us a good laugh.

Bob Woodward thinks the Clinton Foundation is corrupt.

You could say Bob Woodward knows a thing or two about corruption in politics.

The veteran journalist, who serves as associate editor at The Washington Post, broke the Watergate story that brought down President Richard Nixon. During a recent Fox News panel discussion, he made no bones about his disdain for the Clinton Foundation.



WikiLeaks has published hacked emails from Clinton campaign Chairman John Podesta's account that showed donors would give to the foundation expecting to receive access to the Clintons in exchange. During the third presidential debate, Fox news's Chris Wallace, who served as moderator, had asked Clinton about the conflict of interest. The Democratic nominee deflected by saying, "We at the Clinton Foundation spend 90%, 90%, of all the money that is donated on behalf of programs for people around the world and in our own country. I’m very proud of that. We have the highest rating from the watchdogs that follow foundations. And I would be happy to compare what we do with the Trump Foundation which took money from other people and bought a six-foot portrait of Donald. I mean, who does that?" (See also, Tale of Two Charities: Trump's Helps Trump, the Clintons' Is the Real Deal.)

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On Sunday, when Wallace asked Woodward if voters are right to be troubled by the Wikileaks revelations, Woodward said, "Yes. It's corrupt, it's a scandal and she didn't answer your question at all and she turned to embrace the good work that the Clinton foundation has done, and she has a case there. But the mixing of the speech fees, the Clinton foundation and actions by The State Department, which she ran, are all intertwined. It's corrupt. You can't just say it's unsavoury."

There is an ongoing FBI investigation of the Clinton Foundation.Bob Woodward is held in high regard by many people and is an authority on institutional corruption.

Comey on July 5th said:

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.

2000 were "up-classified" after the fact . She still was responsible for sending or receiving them. A reasonable person would have known that an unclassified server was the wrong place to send these 2000.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

She could have been charged. That she wasn't is a mystery.

Unlike some posters here I am an empiricist. I deal in facts not feverish fantasies.

 

[wraphter]

Relevant to this thread ... CNN Money: The plague of fake news is getting worse -- here's how to protect yourself http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/30/media/facebook-fake-news-plague/



Most posters try to post honest, verified information. Unfortunately two or three frequent posters here tend towards promoting fake news stories.

Smear campaign worthy of Joe McCarthy.

 

[mordko]

Smear campaign worthy of Joe McCarthy.

This is a good example of how warped some of the arguments really are. The article is referring, in a strictly factual manner, to fabrications. We have seen plenty in this very thread, including from the exact same sources. These were DELIBERATE fabrications and smears. Someone had to modify the clip with Soros. It was obvious that in the real world he wouldn't have been claiming that Tramp was going to win the popular vote and then the election would be given to Clinton and yet several of you posted the clearly faked video. Equally fake was zerohedge claim that Soros owns the voting machines, which was posted here. That was a smear.

And yet a strictly factual article, referencing similar fabrications and some of the same sources is called "smear campaign worthy of McCarthy". It's 180 degrees opposite from reality.

 

[Nelley]

This is a good example of how warped some of the arguments really are. The article is referring, in a strictly factual manner, to fabrications. We have seen plenty in this very thread, including from the exact same sources. These were DELIBERATE fabrications and smears. Someone had to modify the clip with Soros. It was obvious that in the real world he wouldn't have been claiming that Tramp was going to win the popular vote and then the election would be given to Clinton and yet several of you posted the clearly faked video. Equally fake was zerohedge claim that Soros owns the voting machines, which was posted here. That was a smear.

And yet a strictly factual article, referencing similar fabrications and some of the same sources is called "smear campaign worthy of McCarthy". It's 180 degrees opposite from reality.

The laughable part is the article is from CNN-which prides itself on fabrications, smears and the like. CNN no longer even pretends to cover the news.

 

[TomB19]

Hey Nelley, I heard Clinton is going to place a special tax on Internet BS artists. I expect you to be in the 100% bracket.

 

[sags]

Left or right wing biases accounted for............people who blame the media ignore the fact that Trump buried himself with his own words.

The firestorm rhetoric that reduced his most ardent supporters to tears of joy, didn't play as well as national news headlines across the US.

His own campaign team implored Trump to turn down the rhetoric and concentrate on the issues, but his late night Twitter rants negated any positive efforts. His hard core supporters cheered.......but they aren't enough to win a general election.

Perhaps at this late date, Trump has arrived at the general election party but it is far too late to change the outcome.

This general election is lost to the Republicans, but it was really lost when Republicans chose a candidate that supporters of both parties could not support. Trump not only doesn't appeal to Democrats, he also doesn't appeal to a lot of Republicans.

 

[Nelley]

Hey Nelley, I heard Clinton is going to place a special tax on Internet BS artists. I expect you to be in the 100% bracket.

I heard the Clinton Crime Family is hiring foot soldiers-get your application is right now-you can wipe Crooked Hillary's butt.

 

[bass player]

Huma Abedin's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKt2zaOrxD8