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If that story is true....it reveals the Russians are both capable and serious about shooting down any aircraft over Ukraine.

Thank goodness it wasn't a NATO fighter because that is the kind of "mistake" that causes wars.
 

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Just ended a conversation with polish journalist that travelled through Donbass throughout the war. He was there a bit over a week ago. Sadly, situation on the ground is not as good as the media would like you to believe (and in his opinion media by sugarcoating the reality are doing Ukraine disservice as it decreases urgency with which aid is needed). Russia has settled in into a war of attrition and now they are slowly but steadily taking over.

HIMARS is huge help, but Ukraine has 8 (or 7) and only 4 more coming. Realistically to stop Russia's offensive they need 60, and around a 100 to have a hope of counter-offensive. The troops are demoralized, and the front-lines that have experience from fights since 2014 are largely destroyed, with reservists coming in to replace them (not exactly 1-1 exchange with reservist coming in for professional soldiers). They are constantly being shelled. Russia's arsenal of missiles doesn't seem to be depleted. Soldiers are saying that for every 1 missile they send, Russia sends 20.
The estimation of troops Ukraine loses per day changed from a 100 in may to 1,000 currently (among them around 200-300 dead, rest injured).

Krematorsk and Slovyansk are the main defense now. Russians got within 20km of them. Once that falls, there is really not much resistance until Dnipro river.
 

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really not much resistance
Yep just like that. You gotta love those “experts”.

February 24. Three U.S. officials have told Newsweek they expect Ukraine's capital Kyiv to fall to incoming Russian forces within days, and the country's resistance to be effectively neutralized soon thereafter.

The officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that Moscow's focus, as revealed in Russian President Vladimir Putin's references to a "special military operation" to "demilitarize" the neighboring country, would be to encircle Ukrainian forces and force them to surrender or be destroyed. They expect Kyiv to be taken within 96 hours, and then the leadership of Ukraine to follow in about a week's time.
 

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Yep just like that. You gotta love those “experts”.

February 24. Three U.S. officials have told Newsweek they expect Ukraine's capital Kyiv to fall to incoming Russian forces within days, and the country's resistance to be effectively neutralized soon thereafter.

The officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that Moscow's focus, as revealed in Russian President Vladimir Putin's references to a "special military operation" to "demilitarize" the neighboring country, would be to encircle Ukrainian forces and force them to surrender or be destroyed. They expect Kyiv to be taken within 96 hours, and then the leadership of Ukraine to follow in about a week's time.
Holy crap, take part of a sentence out of context and go on a tangent that has nothing to do with what the sentence was actually stating.

You do realize that there are major line of defenses in a war, right?
The major line of defense now are Krematorsk and Slovyansk.
Next major line of defense is Dnipro
 

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The major line of defense now are Krematorsk and Slovyansk.
Next major line of defense is Dnipro
According to the same “experts” who predicted “Ukraine's capital Kyiv to fall to incoming Russian forces within days, and the country's resistance to be effectively neutralized soon thereafter.”
Or we have now better experts ?
do you have an official statement from armed forces of Ukraine?
I am no military expert by any means but I agree that Ukraine needs more long range missiles (similar range Russia uses), modern airplanes etc. But I don’t believe russian army will get a resistance free walk till Dnipro river. there’s also Dnipro city in Ukraine
 

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No, I conducted a conversation with a polish journalist who was in Donbass in march, may, and last week.
He conducted conversations with Ukrainian soldiers
Take it or ignore it - I am simply relaying the message. Realistically, we will find out soon enough if Krematorsk and Slovyansk fall
 

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Don’t know how they could make that mistake. It looks nothing like a civilian airliner.
Incidentally yesterday was the anniversary of the MH-17 downing by Russians.

Russia Appears To Shoot Down Its Own Su-34 Strike Fighter
Friendly fire likely claimed one of Russia’s most advanced Su-34 ‘Hellduck’ fighter-bombers during a mission over eastern Ukraine.
Happens more often than you'd think during our training

Americans even bombed Canadians in Afghanistan. Usually it involves someone inexperienced feeling threatened and pressured to make a decision to protect themselves

War is complicated and dangerous for everyone
 

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Happens more often than you'd think during our training

Americans even bombed Canadians in Afghanistan. Usually it involves someone inexperienced feeling threatened and pressured to make a decision to protect themselves

War is complicated and dangerous for everyone
A day after ignominiously shooting down one of their owntop-end Su-34M jets, Russian surface-to-air crews may have repeated the mistake, this time knocking a Russian Su-35 out of the sky. The intended target may have been a U.S.-supplied rocket.



How many own fighter jets did the USA shot down during the first five months in Afghanistan or any other location? Got any links?
 

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How many own fighter jets did the USA shot down during the first five months in Afghanistan or any other location? Got any links?
Afghanistan was a different type of conflict.

Here we have a large, poorly supported and not particularly well trained force invading a smaller, well trained well supported force, using roughly comparable equipment, including aircraft.

Afghanistan didn't have an air force for the US to worry about fighting, so they simply weren't shooting at fighters, at least not at the level Russia is contending with.
 

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Okay. What about other locations? Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Yugoslavia? How many own fighter jets the USA shot down?
IFF was a big deal and still is because mistakes were written in blood too many times.

Canada had to add IFF capability to our CF-18s because americans made it a strict requirement for all coalition aircraft. That started in like 2000 and took probably a decade. That's also when they upgraded things like GPS that most other Canadian aircraft still didn't have

It was my job to identify aircraft based on many things but it isn't child's play or simply trusting one system. In war things break and get far complicated than reading wikipedia at home. It's pretty rare that everything works like in training or theory at all

Joint coordination has come a long way but it's still a risk to fly into friendly ground or naval weapon ranges
 
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