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The Trump moment has passed.
I THINK youre right but I admit I don't understand the attractive of Trump as the cult leader that he is. He's a stupid fat man. What's to like?

I understand that he is a useful vehicle for racisms and treating people (particularly black people and women) poorly and that unfortunately isn;t going away without a lot of hard work and education - but what was it about Trump? Can someone else be Trump? I really think his super power was his ability to be absolutely shameless - in his conduct and lies. Blech, so glad to see him go for at least a time.

Also, hard to imagine him in 4 years. Just see how much he declined in the last 4 - he'll be a mess at in 2024
 

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I understand that he is a useful vehicle for racisms and treating people (particularly black people and women) poorly and that unfortunately isn;t going away without a lot of hard work and education - but what was it about Trump? Can someone else be Trump?
I think one should not dismiss this whole phenomenon as some kind of special "Trump" thing going on. Yes partially he has celebrity power and his unique personality.

But it's not like this American behaviour will disappear if Trump loses. Much of what we see is really just plain old American right-wing behaviour. Compared to other first world countries, America is quite far right, and also quite religious ... those are the underlying forces that are more significant than Trump's personality.

The American right wing is very far right, by global standards. And much of America has been far right ever since Reagan in the 1980s.

Many Americans really do think that communists, socialists, and hippies are about to destroy America.

Many Americans really do think that left wing protesters are pure evil and need to be stomped out of existence.

Many Americans really do think that giant tax cuts and benefits for the rich are needed for the country to be great

Many Americans really do think that poor people shouldn't be supported, shouldn't have social assistance, etc ... this is the standard Republican platform and much of what we're observing now been the American mood since 1980 or so. This will continue even if Trump leaves office, even if he dies.
 

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The Trump moment has passed.
Honestly, I don't think so. The Democrats have to re-evaluate how they want to appeal to the Trump voters. It was always said that the Trump supports were all racists, or stupid, but that's not necessarily the case. There are some that truly believe that they are better off than they were before. The other thing is the fact that Republican supporters care about feelings NOT facts, so they don't respond to rational discussions, they play off of emotions and they gravitated to Trump last election and this election because even though he is a buffoon, he is playing at his supporters' emotions.
 

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Many Americans really do think that communists, socialists, and hippies are about to destroy America.
Well I think they are, other than ignorance of how destructive these ideologies (communism & socialism) are I can't understand how anyone but a sociopath could support them.
Many Americans really do think that left wing protesters are pure evil and need to be stomped out of existence.
sure, but most people oppose the riots and violence and don't care about the peaceful protests.

Many Americans really do think that poor people shouldn't be supported, shouldn't have social assistance, etc ..
Please support that assertion, because data shows the exact opposite.
 

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"Many Americans really do think that communists, socialists, and hippies are about to destroy America."

Hey Man! Don't go lumpin' me in with the commies & revolutionaries! ✌
 

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I THINK youre right but I admit I don't understand the attractive of Trump as the cult leader that he is. He's a stupid fat man. What's to like?
The way the world is now, it's all about the image portrayed. The candidates need to be good actors. They need to analyze and know there audience. Then play the part that the audience want to see.

Trump is/was in many ways similar to Obama. They both are good at getting out there and playing to their audiences. Also both good at public speaking, people come out to hear them speak and then mostly vote. Doubt Biden or Hillary or George B. could claim that. Although Bill C. could!

Trump 'may' lose, but he did a surprisingly good job of getting the vote out , despite his dismal record on Covid and several other issues.
 

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Some people don't even understand the difference between socialism and communism.

Socialism is an OAS/GST benefit or child benefits to spend as you wish. Communism is the government telling you where you can live and giving you food.

Socialism is the government bailing out business so they have a chance to become profitable again. Communism is owning the business.

North America is already well steeped in socialism.
 

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Well I think they are, other than ignorance of how destructive these ideologies (communism & socialism) are I can't understand how anyone but a sociopath could support them.
A lot of people play fast and loose with definitions. On one hand, socialized medicine is socialist/communist. Same with social security. So, I guess most Americans are sociopaths.
 

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The way the world is now, it's all about the image portrayed. The candidates need to be good actors. They need to analyze and know there audience. Then play the part that the audience want to see.

Trump is/was in many ways similar to Obama. They both are good at getting out there and playing to their audiences. Also both good at public speaking, people come out to hear them speak and then mostly vote. Doubt Biden or Hillary or George B. could claim that. Although Bill C. could!

Trump 'may' lose, but he did a surprisingly good job of getting the vote out , despite his dismal record on Covid and several other issues.
It's been about image for a long time.
Arsenio Hall & Clinton

And not everyone has that charisma
 

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^I should hope it was obvious that was a reductio ad absurdum argument to show that the premise was false.

No mainstream politician in the US is socialist in the North Korea or USSR sense of the word. And yet the accusation of socialist identify is thrown around a lot in the US.
 

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^I should hope it was obvious that was a reductio ad absurdum argument to show that the premise was false.

No mainstream politician in the US is socialist in the North Korea or USSR sense of the word. And yet the accusation of socialist identify is thrown around a lot in the US.
Bernie Sanders isn't mainstream?

Some were pro-Venezuelan socialism, they gave up on that when it fell apart.
 

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I THINK youre right but I admit I don't understand the attractive of Trump as the cult leader that he is. He's a stupid fat man. What's to like?
Well, Hillary was a stupid fat woman. She also had a long track record of corruption and in spite of decades in office accomplished absolutely nothing. Biden bragged on camera that he shook down the Ukraine for $1 billion, among other things.

Trump has been nominated for 3 Nobel Pease prizes and led one of the strongest economies in US history.

If you can't see the difference, then maybe you're the one in the cult.
 

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Well, Hillary was a stupid fat woman. She also had a long track record of corruption and in spite of decades in office accomplished absolutely nothing. Biden bragged on camera that he shook down the Ukraine for $1 billion, among other things.

Trump has been nominated for 3 Nobel Pease prizes and led one of the strongest economies in US history.

If you can't see the difference, then maybe you're the one in the cult.
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Bernie Sanders isn't mainstream?

Some were pro-Venezuelan socialism, they gave up on that when it fell apart.
Bernie Sanders doesn't advocate communism. Unless you think government funded post-secondary education and $15 min wage is communism.

Are you saying Bernie Sanders is a sociopath?
 

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Bernie Sanders doesn't advocate communism. Unless you think government funded post-secondary education and $15 min wage is communism.

Are you saying Bernie Sanders is a sociopath?
Bernie Sanders calls himself a "Democratic Socialist".

I think government funded post-secondary education is in some cases an appropriate investment in society.

I think an unsupportable high minimum wage is an assault on the poor.
$15 makes sense in some places and doesn't in others.

I think when one knowingly advances policies that hurt people, they have some sort antisocial personality disorder.
If you can look at Venezuela, like Bernie Sanders, and think that's a path to follow, there is something wrong with you.


Bernie Sanders is either simply evil, or willfully ignorant of the harmful impact of his proposals.
 

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