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Russian mercenaries deploy to eastern Ukraine - sources
MOSCOW, Dec 23 (Reuters) - Russian mercenaries have deployed to separatist-controlled eastern Ukraine in recent weeks to bolster defences against Ukrainian government forces as tensions between Moscow and the West rise, four sources have told Reuters.

Of four sources, three described their offers from mercenary recruiters to go to Donbass. They said the recruiters did not disclose who they represented. All four sources declined to be named, citing fears for their safety.

Two of the three sources said they had accepted; the third said he had refused.


"There is a full house. They are gathering everybody with combat experience," said one of the two who accepted.

He said he had previously fought in Ukraine and Syria for groups of Russian security contractors whose operations have been closely aligned with Russia's strategic interests. He declined to identify the contractors.
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said: "It's the first we've heard of this and we don't know how reliable these assertions are."

Peskov said there were no Russian regular forces or military advisers in eastern Ukraine and never had been, and that Moscow was not considering sending any. Kyiv disputes that and says regular Russian army forces are present.
Another source said he was not directly involved in the deployment, but was in touch with people on the ground who were undergoing special training. He said the aim of the deployment was what he called sabotage activities to undermine stability in Ukraine.
 

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On Dec. 4, soldiers from Kyiv’s Territorial Defense Force battalion gathered in an abandoned industrial area on the city’s outskirts for a day of war games. These volunteer, civilian soldiers were preparing to defend their city against a Russian invasion force.
Should Russia invade, Ukraine's Territorial Defense Forces would secure rear echelon positions, provide an operational reserve manpower pool, and assist the regular military in conventional and unconventional combat operations.
 

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Russian President Vladmir Putin is “an international criminal, and we need to be saying this” as forcefully as the United States condemned the leader of Serbia as responsible for the bloody Balkan wars during the 1990s, a former top NATO commander said Thursday.

Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark said the Kremlin “responds to power” in the same way that Slobodan Milosevic, president of Serbia, did in the earlier European crisis by backing off. Milosevic died in prison in 2006 facing charges of war crimes and genocide from an international tribunal in the Hague, Netherlands.

 

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Germany needs his gas and Biden has no spine. Together with energy prices that make Russian economy much stronger, makes Putin pretty much untouchable at this point.
Realistically, he can take over eastern Ukraine and all he would get would be 'stern words'.
I don't see why he would want to do that though. There is no reason because all he wants are concessions from NATO
 

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Russian President Vladmir Putin is “an international criminal, and we need to be saying this” as forcefully as the United States condemned the leader of Serbia as responsible for the bloody Balkan wars during the 1990s, a former top NATO commander said Thursday.
Nicely said. The Putin regime is a menace to all of Europe. Now, Sweden is also getting anxious about growing Russian aggression in the region.

NATO has to be more forceful and put up more troops as a deterrent. Putin scores political points domestically by being macho and aggressive. All of this posturing helps him cling to power as a dictator.

He needs to be put in his place.

Let's also not forget that Russian-backed rebels in east Ukraine used a surface-to-air-missile and shot down a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet, killing 298 innocent civilians. The Russian aggression in the area has real consequences... that was a commercial passenger flight through Europe carrying a mix of Dutch, Malaysians, Australians, and British.

Dutch investigators concluded that the Boeing 777 was shot down with a missile supplied by the Russian military to rebels operating in Ukraine.

Putin killed those civilians.
 

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Americans won't support sending American troops to Ukraine to fight Russians.
 

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I also don't see strong support from the rest of the world in the activities of Russia in Eastern Europe. It is both tragic and unfortunate. I am not sure what can be done to garner attention and support from the rest of the world.
 

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The Ukraine will never be allowed to join NATO without a bloody war that Russia win.

I think the US appetite for another remote war is at an all-time low.
 

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I mean we got Poland, Hungary, Czech, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro and Macedonia without any fight

Close partnerships with Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, Bosnia, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Brazil, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kuwait, Mongolia, Morocco, New Zealand, Philippines, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Tunisia

What do those greedy expansionist Russians want with Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine anyways
 

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The Ukraine will never be allowed to join NATO without a bloody war that Russia win.
Do you think Russian conscripts are ready to die for Ukraine? I doubt that. Their bereaved mothers will storm kremlin.

PS it is Ukraine not the Ukraine. The Canada?
 

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Russian soldiers will perform their duty as ordered, just as the American military would.
 

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Hmm. It's starting to be clear. Once the US is tied up with a second civil war, Russia will enter the Ukraine.

Trump wasn't just a Putin puppet. He's the agent allowing Russian operatives to stir-up the Qanon Republicans.
 

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Russia enters Ukraine only with weak president that won't react in power.
Trump was not stable, and that is precisely what one needs to keep Putin at bay.
Putin is a cold-blooded cynic that is a damn good politician.
He knows right now, same as he knew in 2014 - that no world leader will ever take the conflict too far. With a person like Trump being commander in chief and holding nuclear codes, one can never be sure what the hell he will end up doing.
 

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Ukraine's government web sites are under massive cyber attacks. This comes shortly after the US has warned that the threat of Russian invasion is high.

 

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Which begs the question I had been anxious to ask Republicans since 2003 when the US invaded Iraq because it had WMDs and needed a regime change.

Would US Republicans welcome a coalition of international forces to invade the US because the US needs a regime-change?

If there will be a US civil war, you know Russia and maybe China would supply the arms for the Republicans. A Republucan win will be in their best interest.
 

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It would be best to negotiate a peaceful transfer of land in Ukraine to Russia.

Russia should be required to pay the cost for people to move into Ukraine from any seized territory.

People can stay if they want or move out.

Canada should not get involved.
 
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