I'll second that motion.
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Enough already of paid advertising - without it masquerading as legitimate commentary.
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Enough already of paid advertising - without it masquerading as legitimate commentary.
why not place Vendor Deals in Vendor Deals thread
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there is a frank Vendor Deal being offered - in black & white dollar terms - among the general members' information-sharing posts. In the Retirement section i believe.
other members are wondering what it's doing there, are asking for the Deal to be moved to an appropriate section such as this one.
perhaps the moderators should do this? Vendor Deals could be a valuable section of the forum. I for one would certainly look under Vendor Deals if i were planning or seeking to purchase a service.
but to sprinkle the offers among genuine posts from members who are not selling anything, then to pretend that these commercial offers are "news" or "sharing," does not seem particularly efficient. It's certainly not fair to the vendors, because when their offers appear in the news/sharing sections, they seem to attract hostility or mockery. Surely that is not what vendors want. The one i am speaking of - the one placed in the wrong section - is actually a very nice offer, so imho it should be couched in a welcoming environment.
thankx for consideration
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there is a frank Vendor Deal being offered - in black & white dollar terms - among the general members' information-sharing posts. In the Retirement section i believe.
other members are wondering what it's doing there, are asking for the Deal to be moved to an appropriate section such as this one.
perhaps the moderators should do this? Vendor Deals could be a valuable section of the forum. I for one would certainly look under Vendor Deals if i were planning or seeking to purchase a service.
but to sprinkle the offers among genuine posts from members who are not selling anything, then to pretend that these commercial offers are "news" or "sharing," does not seem particularly efficient. It's certainly not fair to the vendors, because when their offers appear in the news/sharing sections, they seem to attract hostility or mockery. Surely that is not what vendors want. The one i am speaking of - the one placed in the wrong section - is actually a very nice offer, so imho it should be couched in a welcoming environment.
thankx for consideration
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Opposed.
The subject post is pretty apparent that it's self promoting; the subject service and the poster's name are the same. I have no problem with that since there's no attempt at subterfuge.
If the service relates to 'retirement', then it's more likely to get more target eyes in a 'retirement' category than in a 'deals' category.
If this is so offensive to some CMF members, perhaps a compromise would be that regardless of what category it's placed in, a sponsor's post be identified with **Sponsored**.
The subject post is pretty apparent that it's self promoting; the subject service and the poster's name are the same. I have no problem with that since there's no attempt at subterfuge.
If the service relates to 'retirement', then it's more likely to get more target eyes in a 'retirement' category than in a 'deals' category.
If this is so offensive to some CMF members, perhaps a compromise would be that regardless of what category it's placed in, a sponsor's post be identified with **Sponsored**.
Moving the thread had already been suggested and supported by many in Wealthbar's original thread in Retirement forum.
Not sure why HP started another thread on same subject???
Maybe J4B will merge the original thread with this one in the Vendor area.
Not sure why HP started another thread on same subject???
Maybe J4B will merge the original thread with this one in the Vendor area.
+1 ... as long as it is marked as an advertisement (and there is some kind of indication from cmf that it is paid for as opposed to just inserted by any rando) doesn't matter where it goesOpposed.
The subject post is pretty apparent that it's self promoting; the subject service and the poster's name are the same. I have no problem with that since there's no attempt at subterfuge.
If the service relates to 'retirement', then it's more likely to get more target eyes in a 'retirement' category than in a 'deals' category.
If this is so offensive to some CMF members, perhaps a compromise would be that regardless of what category it's placed in, a sponsor's post be identified with **Sponsored**.
frugality, money, real estate, taxes and retirement are all areas of specific interest and ads should go in the appropriate sections
I agree with HP. If I am looking to buy some help, I want to go to the offers section, not scan all the threads.
Also I don't like having to read a post to determine that it is a promotion.
Also I don't like having to read a post to determine that it is a promotion.
+1 ... as long as it is marked as an advertisement (and there is some kind of indication from cmf that it is paid for as opposed to just inserted by any rando) doesn't matter where it goes
frugality, money, real estate, taxes and retirement are all areas of specific interest and ads should go in the appropriate sections
It's a slippery slope when you allow advertisers to post as regular participants of a forum unless their intentions are clearly spelled out. It can undermine the spirit of regular posters offering answers to questions without ulterior motives. Unsuspecting members may well be lured into taking advice that is covertly designed to score a new customer. It's not unlike pumpers who are simply talking their own book, and we certainly are always on the lookout to shut that down.
In this particular case we have the advertiser stating in a seperate post that they are: Looking forward to getting more involved here and listening to people's questions about retirement.. Yes, it may be well intentioned, but to what end - perhaps some new business.
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I am with hp, st. hj and kc. To borrow hp's term, the "sprinkling" of offers seems inappropriate and, as hp suggests, tends to generate hostility, which benefits no one..
but to sprinkle the offers among genuine posts from members who are not selling anything, then to pretend that these commercial offers are "news" or "sharing," does not seem particularly efficient. It's certainly not fair to the vendors, because when their offers appear in the news/sharing sections, they seem to attract hostility or mockery. Surely that is not what vendors want. The one i am speaking of - the one placed in the wrong section - is actually a very nice offer, so imho it should be couched in a welcoming environment.
Add me to Humble_Pie.
Be forewarned that I have no compunction about using advertising within user threatens to be as rude as possible. I consider them fair game in exercising my Mr. Hyde and being (uncharacteristically I hope) uncivil.
Be forewarned that I have no compunction about using advertising within user threatens to be as rude as possible. I consider them fair game in exercising my Mr. Hyde and being (uncharacteristically I hope) uncivil.
This is a good question for the site's owners. Yes I am one of the moderators but this is more of a policy and business decision for the site owners, and I don't own the site. I don't set the policies.
Here's the question I sent to the site's owners:
Many people are complaining about posts from a Site Sponsor inside a regular discussion area (Retirement in this case). Can we instead place all vendor advertising threads inside the Vendor Deals area? As you'll see from the comments, there is no way that any sponsored financial topic is going to slip "seamlessly" into regular discussion areas, as the vendors probably hoped.
Here's the question I sent to the site's owners:
Many people are complaining about posts from a Site Sponsor inside a regular discussion area (Retirement in this case). Can we instead place all vendor advertising threads inside the Vendor Deals area? As you'll see from the comments, there is no way that any sponsored financial topic is going to slip "seamlessly" into regular discussion areas, as the vendors probably hoped.
To site owners
The viability of your website depends almost entirely on clicks and eyeballs. These depend mostly on a fresh daily supply of posts from various individuals. These come mostly from about 50 or so individuals. If you alienate them to below some critical mass, you will be left owning fuddle duddle.
The viability of your website depends almost entirely on clicks and eyeballs. These depend mostly on a fresh daily supply of posts from various individuals. These come mostly from about 50 or so individuals. If you alienate them to below some critical mass, you will be left owning fuddle duddle.
duh...can someone pls direct to the thread in question...
Add me to Humble_Pie.
Be forewarned that I have no compunction about using advertising within user threatens to be as rude as possible. I consider them fair game in exercising my Mr. Hyde and being (uncharacteristically I hope) uncivil.
onlyMO u are indeed normally an angel & i must confess to growing fond of your mr Hyde flashes. Except when these are anti-quebec.
since the owners are not listening to us & probably will never listen to us, we might as well dream on.
userkare has a point upthread when he says folks who are already interested in a thread topic are the likeliest candidates to be shown related advertising. What about a dual system. Vendors who have paid advertising fees to CMF forum owners can have a short thread-specific thumbnail where they can extol a product, provided they clearly identify up top in all caps large font that they are COMMERCIAL VENDORS, they are not noble altruistic amateurs like ourselves.
plus - here's the bonus - for the same price these Vendors can also have a bigger text space in Vendor Deals where they can hit a home run with their advertising (it seems they have some sort of system like this already, except that it's not working) (right now all the heavy advertising is appearing in the topic threads)
PS to the best of my knowledge the majority owner of cmf forum is the toronto star corporation. Vertical Scope sold its majority interest to torstar a couple years ago. Vertical Scope may still be operating as a separate company though.
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From top of page:
CMF is owned and operated by Vertiscope . Torstar do have a majority share and benefit from Vertiscope's profits, if any. Newspapers need all they can get these days!
From the horses mouth:
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CMF is owned and operated by Vertiscope . Torstar do have a majority share and benefit from Vertiscope's profits, if any. Newspapers need all they can get these days!
From the horses mouth:
Torstar has a majority stake in Toronto-based VerticalScope, which owns and operates more than 600 online forums and premium content sites across North America.
+ 1 more with Humble
A big reason netflix is successful is there is no advertising. Less need for advertising in the age of google when info regarding products can be googled.
A big reason netflix is successful is there is no advertising. Less need for advertising in the age of google when info regarding products can be googled.
So then, you'd be O.K. with paying $10/mo to access CMF?+ 1 more with Humble
A big reason netflix is successful is there is no advertising.
This thread certainly isn't about no advertising. It's about advertisers posing as helpful posters within the threads. A world of difference.So then, you'd be O.K. with paying $10/mo to access CMF?
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