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What party are you going to vote for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 44 66.7%
  • Liberal

    Votes: 9 13.6%
  • NDP

    Votes: 3 4.5%
  • PPC

    Votes: 3 4.5%
  • Green

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Others

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Not going to vote

    Votes: 6 9.1%
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Based on the poll, I predict that the majority of the people on this forum will lose their election. ;)
 

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What do you consider a win or a loss?

Popular vote?
Majority rule?
Most seats?
Get to have PM?

Greens getting absolutely pummeled.
Conservatives with major gains (10%+) in popular vote in Nova Scotia but won't translate into many seats
 

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Yea, same on Garth Turner's blog. As it turns out.......it is a millionaires club according to his poll......and they almost all vote Conservative.
 
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I don't like to be disappointed and angry.....so I voted for Trudeau.

I like being on the winning team and getting a trophy.
 
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Oh yeah, then that is pretty much foregone conclusion.
This forum has people with above average knowledge in economy and finance so it would make sense why the results wouldn't be representative of the entire country.
 

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There you go. Radio-Canada already called it.
 

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Trudeau has never lost an election, since his nomination as an MP in 2007.
 
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Yea, same on Garth Turner's blog. As it turns out.......it is a millionaires club according to his poll......and they almost all vote Conservative.
They are the financially literate who vote for the CPC. Libs and NDP depend on the financially illiterate. The parallels here with who kept the socialists in power that destroyed my wife's country are not coincidental.
 

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Yes, sure, Canada's biggest cities all vote Liberal, but big cities are financial illiterate, right? And anyways the world's best countries to live are all Liberal. Pretty happy of the election. Got the MP I wanted and got the PM I wanted.
 

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Actually no. The world's best countries to live are centrist.
You have to realize that political spectrum looks different in Canada than you have in majority of places in the world.
By majority of countries' standards (including entire Europe and Australia), Conservatives are very left wing.
Just look at Singapore, Germany, UK, entire Scandinavia. They are all about where the Conservatives are or slightly to the right of them when it comes to platforms and policies.

Read official platforms of parties ruling in the countries you are referring to so you don't pull such statements out of your behind.

PPC accounted for about 15 seat swing.
 

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Yes, sure, Canada's biggest cities all vote Liberal, but big cities are financial illiterate, right? And anyways the world's best countries to live are all Liberal.
That's because the liberal mindset (using current terminology) generally is a movement towards progress and moving society forward. It naturally appeals to younger people and those who envisage a better future. It appeals to the optimistic.

The conservative mindset (in the US & Canadian context anyway) is more regressive by nature. It tries to halt, or at least delay progress. It does not seek new ideas but tries to maintain the status quo and old establishment. Naturally this cannot appeal to upwardly mobile, optimistic and successful young adults in the prime of their lives.

This is a generalization of course but these are underlying themes. It's especially clear on things like environmental policy and also trying to boost the status and power of disadvantaged people. Conservatives tend to either ignore it (couldn't care less about environmental protection) or be downright hostile towards the poor, minority groups, indigenous people, etc
 

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That's because the liberal mindset (using current terminology) generally is a movement towards progress and moving society forward. It naturally appeals to younger people and those who envisage a better future. It appeals to the optimistic.

The conservative mindset (in the US & Canadian context anyway) is more regressive by nature. It tries to halt, or at least delay progress. It does not seek new ideas but tries to maintain the status quo and old establishment. Naturally this cannot appeal to upwardly mobile, optimistic and successful young adults in the prime of their lives.

This is a generalization of course but these are underlying themes. It's especially clear on things like environmental policy and also trying to boost the status and power of disadvantaged people. Conservatives tend to either ignore it (couldn't care less about environmental protection) or be downright hostile towards it.
Yet again, actual numbers don't support anything that you are saying.
Liberals had highest support in polls among 55+
A part of the country that is old enough to forget all the promises from previous elections.
Both NDP and Conservative had higher polling numbers among people under 30.
Conservative party is doing better among young people than Liberal Party.
Maybe young people realize that promising to decrease emissions by 45% in 15 years, and spending first 6 years of that period INCREASING emissions is not the way to go?
 

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That's because the liberal mindset (using current terminology) generally is a movement towards progress and moving society forward. It naturally appeals to younger people and those who envisage a better future. It appeals to the optimistic.

The conservative mindset (in the US & Canadian context anyway) is more regressive by nature. It tries to halt, or at least delay progress. It does not seek new ideas but tries to maintain the status quo and old establishment. Naturally this cannot appeal to upwardly mobile, optimistic and successful young adults in the prime of their lives.

This is a generalization of course but these are underlying themes. It's especially clear on things like environmental policy and also trying to boost the status and power of disadvantaged people. Conservatives tend to either ignore it (couldn't care less about environmental protection) or be downright hostile towards the poor, minority groups, indigenous people, etc
Sorry that's a misrepresentation.

The current left is giving more power and control to government.

The current right/conservative is about preserving the liberal principles of free speech and respect for individual rights and not ceding all power to government.

The problem is that human rights, and respect for individuals gets in the way of the larger government plans. Some of the greatest evils in history is when governments pursue their own goals, and ignore the rights of the people.

I think the reason young people look at authoritarianism and central control is they lack the understanding of the consequences and history of those.

Finally I think the left has coopted "progressive", they claimed the word, but they're not making progress for all, they often create plans that are deeply flawed.
Lets take child care plans.
The left generally favours heavily subsidized government run institutional child care, this works for higher end jobs with a 9-4 work schedule. It totally fails shift workers, or those who start a bit earlier, as well as all the service jobs, restaurants etc. It also only helps those who are able to obtain spots, so there are winners and losers.
The big winner is the middle/upper middle stable day job worker.
Those with precarious employment, and typically lower incomes lose.

The right supports direct subsidies to parents, maybe stay at home parent or relative, or home daycare. My parents ran a home daycare so kids could be dropped off at 6am. Daycare centers rarely open that early

It's not simply that the left/right care or don't care. I think that they have different understanding of how the world works. I think this is why the young less experienced people see the left as full of great ideas, and the older people notice the flaws.

As far as the status quo, nobody is arguing for that. The problem is we have thousands of years of history building a relatively unique society that has been quite successful. Maybe show a bit of respect for the systems that give us such great lives. It took a long time and a lot of effort to get where we are, and throwing things away because you think you know better is the epitome of youthful arrogance.

I'm not saying things are perfect, but they're the best they've ever been in human history, so maybe as we consider how to improve things, we should also consider why they're so good, and make sure we preserve those aspects.
There are many young people who find the idea that things are good today laughable, which makes anyone with a clue shake their head.

I currently lean politically "conservative", but it's because I care more about fairness and disadvantaged people than the typical leftist or "progressive". Not because some of them don't care, but simply because their policies are flawed and won't actually help those people.
 

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Just to clarify I'm not really Conservative, I'm really a Liberal/CPC.
The US left/rights are nuts.
In Canada we have lots more crazy lefts, but our main parties Lib/CPC are only about half crazy each, and it just matters who has the reigns, the reason they alternate power is every few years the grown ups are in charge, then the crazies take over and back and forth.
Typically Canadians do okay, and put a reasonable leader in charge but every now and then they get it wrong, ie Trudeaus shouldn't be running the country.
 

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I'd be curious if people here would do the Vote Compass.

I've did it twice and always end up in the same spot, which is right in the middle of the top left quadrant (which is progressive & left).

It says I agree around 65%-75 % with NDP, LPC, BQ, GPC, about 45%-50% with CPC and about 20% with PPC.

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I'd be curious if people here would do the Vote Compass.

I've did it twice and always end up in the same spot, which is right in the middle of the top left quadrant (which is progressive & left).

It says I agree around 65%-70% with NDP, LPC, BQ, about 55% with GPC, about 40% with PCC and about 20% with PPC.
Sometimes vote compass is correct, sometimes it's incorrect.

They do have a strong Liberal bias in how they intepret questions. For example they typically conflate climate change with environment, or gun restrictions with addressing gun crime.
Taking away hunting rifles won't reduce handgun shootings in Toronto.

This year they're pretty good, though I'm not sure which party is against housing affordability.

To be fair, political views don't necessarily align with reality, for example pipelines are considered "anti climate change/anti environment", even if the actual impact is reduced emissions, and less environmental damage.
 
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