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Now how do we get lonewolf deleted? I've yet to see him post one even nearly sensible comment.
When I go to the library or a book store I look for books that are different then most since it shows the author has been thinking. When I walked into chapters near the Nasdaq market top in 2000 all or perhaps close to all the books were bullish on the stock market. Plus the section had grown a lot larger. To me it signaled a major top. Those that read those books & followed got their just reward.
 

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No, that's just putting your head in the sand.

If you can't listen to all opinions, then you only want to hear those that agree with you.

I suppose that's a safe place to be, but it doesn't further anyone's education of how others think.

If you read and disagree with an opinion, then accept it as education and offer an alternative opinion.

I am often shocked at the opinions of others on this forum, but glad to have read those thoughts. If I ignored every person that didn't agree with me, it wouldn't be much of a forum......

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No, that's just putting your head in the sand.

If you can't listen to all opinions, then you only want to hear those that agree with you.

I suppose that's a safe place to be, but it doesn't further anyone's education of how others think.

If you read and disagree with an opinion, then accept it as education and offer an alternative opinion.

I am often shocked at the opinions of others on this forum, but glad to have read those thoughts. If I ignored every person that didn't agree with me, it wouldn't be much of a forum......

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I just put calm on ignore, he/she makes wild claims, and has clearly explicitly refused to support them and stated as such. I consider them a troll and I'm ignoring them.

I've even taken sags off ignore.

Politically I nearly completely disagree with James4beach, and he generally fails to support his claims. However occasionally an attempt is made. I haven't ignored him yet.

I have no problem with opposing opinions, I would like it if they were considered and supported by evidence, but typically on political items that simply isn't the case.
 

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I just put calm on ignore, he/she makes wild claims, and has clearly explicitly refused to support them and stated as such. I consider them a troll and I'm ignoring them.

I've even taken sags off ignore.

Politically I nearly completely disagree with James4beach, and he generally fails to support his claims. However occasionally an attempt is made. I haven't ignored him yet.

I have no problem with opposing opinions, I would like it if they were considered and supported by evidence, but typically on political items that simply isn't the case.
My feeling is that if someone is breaking the rules of conduct they will be removed immediately, as I see it happen all the time.

That leaves those that disagree with my opinion. Why would I ignore them?

Mr. Matt, fact is, I usually agree with about 100% of your opinions, but I can't support ignoring those that don't have all the evidence. That appears to be your reason to click ignore. I think we should listen to everyone's opinion, even if we think it's crazy.

Know thine enemy......................

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That leaves those that disagree with my opinion. Why would I ignore them?

Mr. Matt, fact is, I usually agree with about 100% of your opinions, but I can't support ignoring those that don't have all the evidence. That appears to be your reason to click ignore. I think we should listen to everyone's opinion, even if we think it's crazy.
It's not that they disagree with my opinion. It's that they're wasting my time, it's not worth the mental energy to read their posts.
It's not "all the evidence", it's some, or at least an attempt.
If someone is going to make obviously false statements, and not even try to substantiate them, why bother?

I'd love it if there was someone who could argue some of this crazy stuff in a coherent manner, but quite simply they're hard to find. Once they get logical and informed, they invariable "drift right".
 

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I just about always post the sources along with my claims, but people who've already made up their minds just ignore what I post.
 

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Once they get logical and informed, they invariable "drift right".

LOL........You assume that right wing views should naturally prevail even though they are the views of a small and disappearing minority of people.

Conservatives capture about 30% of the votes and the number is declining. Liberals and more progressive parties capture 70% of the vote.

The writing is on the wall for conservatives and I am of the belief that some years into the future the only place to see one will be in a museum.
 

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I just about always post the sources along with my claims, but people who've already made up their minds just ignore what I post.
You rarely back up your claims, still waiting for the unidentified police in Portland.
Even the judge agreed there was no evidence of this happening.
 

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Once they get logical and informed, they invariable "drift right".

LOL........You assume that right wing views should naturally prevail even though they are the views of a small and disappearing minority of people.

Conservatives capture about 30% of the votes and the number is declining. Liberals and more progressive parties capture 70% of the vote.

The writing is on the wall for conservatives and I am of the belief that some years into the future the only place to see one will be in a museum.
I didn't say that they should prevail, just that once educated on issues, people tend to shift to a more liberal right wing viewpoint. The "progressive" left wing ideology is simply broken and unethical.

It's just been my observation that if you get informed on issues, you'll generally shift right, or at least get called right wing by the lefties.
That's why leftists are so scared of facts or "right wing" news.
 

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I just put calm on ignore, he/she makes wild claims, and has clearly explicitly refused to support them and stated as such. I consider them a troll and I'm ignoring them.

I've even taken sags off ignore.

Politically I nearly completely disagree with James4beach, and he generally fails to support his claims. However occasionally an attempt is made. I haven't ignored him yet.

I have no problem with opposing opinions, I would like it if they were considered and supported by evidence, but typically on political items that simply isn't the case.
My ignore list is calm and lonewolf. They feel like two sides of the same coin. I think both are fairly guilty of just copy-pasting ideological ravings from the dark corners of the internet.
 

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I didn't say that they should prevail, just that once educated on issues, people tend to shift to a more liberal right wing viewpoint. The "progressive" left wing ideology is simply broken and unethical.

It's just been my observation that if you get informed on issues, you'll generally shift right, or at least get called right wing by the lefties.
That's why leftists are so scared of facts or "right wing" news.
This might be a bit of confirmation bias. More educated people tend to lean left/liberal.
 

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You rarely back up your claims, still waiting for the unidentified police in Portland.
Even the judge agreed there was no evidence of this happening.
Actually, your MO seems to be that you're aware of my sources (when I post references). You probably even read them.

Then even after I post them, you repeat your assertion that I don't back up my claims.
 

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Actually, your MO seems to be that you're aware of my sources (when I post references). You probably even read them.

Then even after I post them, you repeat your assertion that I don't back up my claims.
I'm aware of them, in some cases they're already discredited.

You post links, but they actually aren't evidence of what you claim.
I think you REALLY want to believe what's being told to you. So much that you don't realize that your documentation doesn't support your claim.

lets look at a recent example.
The "unidentified" police, who were in full CPB uniform. With CPB patches.
See screenshot, I didn't even bother marking the POLICE shown on a different angle.


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This might be a bit of confirmation bias. More educated people tend to lean left/liberal.
People with more school education in certain areas tend to lean left/liberal.
But quite honestly it takes a certain amount of "education" and mental gymnastics to simultaneously claim mutually contradictory facts.
The level of cognitive dissonance is ridiculous.

But once you understand history and how things work, you realize how important democratic institution are and you want to preserve them.
Or you realize how socialism can't work without serious infringement on personal freedoms Or why printing lots of money will cause inflation, or why too much inflation is a bad thing.
If you're not educated on these ideas, the left wing ideology is appealing.

Also the left isn't liberal, most specifically they are literally arguing against the primary concepts in the definition.
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. << Today those are most certainly Center/Conservative views.

Identity politics is an attack on Liberalism, it's sad we have to fight for equality again.
 

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The mistake is in thinking that you can debate someone who does not know how to debate. They state something as a fact and IF it were a fact, then obviously, it is not debatable. But what they are really stating is an OPINION which of course is debatable.

But when someone thinks they can debate that opinion, they don't realize the person did not state it as an opinion. They stated it as a fact and facts are not debatable, only deniable.

I just watched Smerconish this morning and his question was should Biden debate Trump. One commentator said basically what I am saying here. Biden should not debate Trump because Trump does not debate, he simply states lies as facts and that leaves the other person having to just correct him all the time rather than DEBATING anything. It allows the person, Trump or Lonewolf or whoever, simply an opportunity to repeat the lies over and over and changes nothing. A total waste of time.

For those saying it is good to hear other opinions contrary to your own, I agree. WHEN it is a contrary OPINION stated as such by someone willing to engage in a discussion/debate and argue their point with logic. When it is simply someone spouting nonsense repeatedly, there is nothing to debate.
 

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The mistake is in thinking that you can debate someone who does not know how to debate. They state something as a fact and IF it were a fact, then obviously, it is not debatable. But what they are really stating is an OPINION which of course is debatable.

But when someone thinks they can debate that opinion, they don't realize the person did not state it as an opinion. They stated it as a fact and facts are not debatable, only deniable.

I just watched Smerconish this morning and his question was should Biden debate Trump. One commentator said basically what I am saying here. Biden should not debate Trump because Trump does not debate, he simply states lies as facts and that leaves the other person having to just correct him all the time rather than DEBATING anything. It allows the person, Trump or Lonewolf or whoever, simply an opportunity to repeat the lies over and over and changes nothing. A total waste of time.

For those saying it is good to hear other opinions contrary to your own, I agree. WHEN it is a contrary OPINION stated as such by someone willing to engage in a discussion/debate and argue their point with logic. When it is simply someone spouting nonsense repeatedly, there is nothing to debate.
I agree, I'm still holding out hope that some will understand the difference.

The next issue is definitions, a common tactic is to use one word or term to mean a number of things that varies on the context, and that the word itself has no meaning.
By not having a fixed meaning to a word, you can avoid the problem of self contradiction. You just flip the meaning of the word to something more convenient.

I love how people claim that a certain term has no meaning, then argue that there is a disparity based on that term.
I honestly don't think they realize the problem.
 

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And what has all this got to do with masks?

Start a new thread if you want to argue political views. Or don't
 

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Some posters cannot stay on topic agent99, you know that. There are also some posters who turn any subject into a political argument, you know that as well.

On masks, I don't know why some areas are so reluctant to mandate them. I still think it is because of advice being given by mental health professionals that forcing people to wear them, forces them to acknowledge there is a risk to their health out there. There are still quite a few people I think who continue to bury their head in the sand and behave as if nothing is happening. It is a psychological issue.

When we see people protesting that it infringes on their individual human rights and freedoms, that is just ridiculous but it gives them a reason to protest since they can't protest that they just don't want to acknowledge there is a real big problem in the world.
 
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