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It appears almost impossible to hold a peaceful protest or sports celebration in the US anymore without it turning into a riot.
 

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Leftist thugs use incidents like this as an excuse to loot and riot. If you recall...or maybe not because the left media basically ignored it because it didn't fit their agenda, just a few years ago a black cop shot and killed an unarmed white woman in Minneapolis a few years ago. No one rioted. A few people protested peacefully and that was it.
 

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Leftist thugs use incidents like this as an excuse to loot and riot. If you recall...or maybe not because the left media basically ignored it because it didn't fit their agenda, just a few years ago a black cop shot and killed an unarmed white woman in Minneapolis a few years ago. No one rioted. A few people protested peacefully and that was it.
The shooter of the Australian woman was convicted and sent to prison for 12 years, even though it was established that he was jaded and mistakenly opened fire. Most officers who kill black men don't even get indicted, and some of those killings are very fishy.
 

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The shooter of the Australian woman was convicted and sent to prison for 12 years, even though it was established that he was jaded and mistakenly opened fire. Most officers who kill black men don't even get indicted, and some of those killings are very fishy.
I know he was convicted, my point was that no one rioted. It's only the leftist thugs who riot in these situations....and they don't wait for the case to make it's way through court.
 

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The Ruling Class never gave the Lower Class anything without the threat of violence.

All the social gains made during the 60's and 70's was because the Ruling Class were under threat.

It is that the dissent became "Organized" which has the Establishment terrified.

Without the threat of violence, the Ruling Class ignores you.

All this "Jibberish" about non-violence is sold to us as a "Religion" and it is all a myth.

Ghandi said
During a prayer speech on June 16, 1947: “If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British.” ~ Gandhi’s “The Last Phase,” Vol. II, p. 326
“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.” ~ Gandhi’s “Autobiography,” Part V, Chapter XXVII

Does anybody really think that Roosevelt introduced the "New Deal" because it was "Kind To Animal Week"? There were huge protests and threats/plots to take over the Whitehouse.

"And, it didn't happen because FDR was a great guy. It happened because people in this country were so radicalized, were so determined, were so organized, that he was able to sell the new deal to the elites as a compromise because the alternative was revolution."
--Naomi Klein, National Conference for Media reform, June 07, 2008--

Before the New Deal was introduced, Eisenhower and Patton were sent in to set fire to the unemployed camps.

Both General Douglas MacArthur and Major George S. Patton attacked the homeless at their tent city.

The reason that the RCMP became an important and indispensable asset to the Federal Government was because they "Excelled" at beating unemployed protesters in Winnipeg. Before that they were nobodies.

"Have you ever though about the meaning of the phrase, "law enforcement agency," the phrase used to identify police of various kinds? If you have, you surely realize that it makes no sense. Police do not enforce, that is, make people obey, the law. In fact, police have nothing to do until the law has been broken. A society of lawful people needs no police, and the more police a society needs, the more lawless it is. Police are not agents of order; they are agents of retribution. And lawlessness in a society is not an indictment of people, it is an indictment of government. A well governed, well ordered society needs no police or guard workers."
--Professor John Kozy, Nation of Laws and Lawlessness: America is Policing Itself and the World, April 16, 2010--

America has had 250 years experience when dealing with riots and yet pretends it does not know how to deal with them.

America has had 250 years experience writing cheques and yet would claim that they could not find the proper language and legalese to distribute funds to those corporations being bailed out in order to ensure fairness.

“In the history of secrets, withheld from the American people, this is the biggest secret: that there are classes with different interests in this country. To ignore that — not to know that the history of our country is a history of slaveowner against slave, landlord against tenant, corporation against worker, rich against poor — is to render us helpless before all the lesser lies told to us by people in power.”

"There were two main trends or tendency within the African-American Freedom Movement of the Sixties (and other Freedom Movements inspired by it).
One was the non-violent resistance exemplified by King and Rosa Parks.
The other was the militant, in-your-racist-face resistance of Robert Williams, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers (who, of course, originated in Oakland).
It's interesting but not surprising that the former gets all kinds of validation in the schools and holidays today while the other is scarcely mentioned or honored if at all.
In any case, King and Malcolm, despite their different ideologies and approaches, appreciated the value of each other. They were like a "good-cop"/"bad-cop" routine against the ruling elite, without which the achievements in the ways of Civil Rights during that era would not have come about.
I believe Malcolm said it straight-out in his visit to Selma speaking to the southern racists: "If you don't want to deal with King, you're going to have to deal with people like me."
And his words were already starting to be backed-up by urban rebellions."
--VermontLeftist, Comment, February2012--

The Black Freedom Movement and Chris Hedges' Misuse of History
By Jay Moore
February 16, 2012

How Nonviolence Protects the State (e-Book)
Since the civil rights era, the doctrine of nonviolence has enjoyed near-universal acceptance by the US Left. Today protest is normally shaped by cooperation with state authorities-even organizers of rallies against police brutality apply for police permits, and anti-imperialists commonly stop short of supporting self-defense and armed resistance. How Nonviolence Protects the State challenges the belief that nonviolence is the only method to fight for a much better world. In a call bound to stir controversy and lively debate, Peter Gelderloos invites activists to take into account diverse tactics, passionately arguing that exclusive nonviolence normally acts to reinforce the exact same structures of oppression that activists seek to overthrow.
Contemporary movements for social change face lots of hard questions, but occasionally matters of technique and tactics obtain low priority. Numerous North American activists fail to scrutinize the role of nonviolence, never posing important questions:
Is nonviolence effective at ending systems of oppression?
Does nonviolence intersect with white privilege and also the dominance of North over South?
How does pacifism reinforce the exact same power dynamic as patriarchy?
Ultimately, does nonviolence protect the state?
Peter Gelderloos is a radical community organizer. He is the author of Consensus: A New Handbook for Grassroots Political, Social, and Environmental Groups along with a contributor to Letters From Young Activists. He is the co-facilitator of a workshop on the prison system, and is also involved in independent media, copwatching, anti-oppression work, and anarchist organizing.
Semi-Abridged 2nd Edition
By Peter Gelderloos
2007

"Stop The Machine" Or How To Demoralize A Movement
By John A. Murphy
October 07, 2011

Nonviolence: Its Histories and Myths
By Professor Michael Neumann
February 08, 2003

A Conversation About Nonviolence
Eric Stoner responds to Stephen Zunes: Yes, nonviolent movements have achieved important democratic and political reforms. But if they fail to address the divide between rich and poor, are they really success stories?
By Eric Stoner
November 13, 2009

Militarizing a response to a riot is known to only encourage rioting and that is the intention of the Ruling Class.

Understanding Riots
By David D. Haddock and Daniel D. Poisby
(PDF Document)

The same people who complain about property damage are the same people who just spent 10 trillion to bail out the Ecomomic Terrorists.

The same people who transported skids off dollar bills (2.4 billion) to Iraq and distributed cash to communities and villages in Iraq would pretend that they don't know how to help people in need.

The Ruling Class know full well that they are going to be enduring social discontent as the economic system continues to collapse and that Marital Law will need to be introduced.

The Ruling Class have been militarizing every police force in the country.

The Ruling Class are setting up the situation where Martial Law will be welcomed in communities.
 

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It appears almost impossible to hold a peaceful protest or sports celebration in the US anymore without it turning into a riot.
... not surprised that these riots haven't started earlier, like a month or 2 ago. Not like they didn't ever existed. And moreso, won't see them desisting anytime soon, if not more to come, like a contagion. Meanwhile the American Messiah continues to MAGA!!!!
 

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It's quite fitting that CNN who have been calling everyone racist and has been lying for years had their building attacked by the very people they incited to violence.

And of course, the same clueless idiots who still haven't figured it out will blame Trump.
 

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I know he was convicted, my point was that no one rioted. It's only the leftist thugs who riot in these situations....and they don't wait for the case to make it's way through court.
The protests are because of the injustice, which is illustrated in this example of how killing a white woman by a black officer is treated differently from killing a black man by a white officer.

The looting and the arson are not justified, but that is not what the majority of protesters are doing.
 

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The protests are because of the injustice, which is illustrated in this example of how killing a white woman by a black officer is treated differently from killing a black man by a white officer.

The looting and the arson are not justified, but that is not what the majority of protesters are doing.
Ah...so it's a different type of "injustice" when a black cop kills a white women. Thanks for clarifying that you've bought into the agenda. Maybe you can be a guest on CNN.

I saw a far more looters, vandalizers, and thugs than protestors. Interestingly, virtually all of the violence is taking place in Democrat run cities. I'm not sure why Americans are so stupid to keep electing them.
 

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I saw a far more looters, vandalizers, and thugs than protestors. Interestingly, virtually all of the violence is taking place in Democrat run cities. I'm not sure why Americans are so stupid to keep electing them.
Do you think electing Republicans in those cities would solve the problem of "dirty cops"?
 

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Do you think electing Republicans in those cities would solve the problem of "dirty cops"?
Maybe not, but it might solve the problem of anarchist thugs thinking that they can loot, vandalize, and commit arson without suffering any consequences.

Don't forget that when a black cop killed a white woman in the very same city just a couple years ago no one looted, vandalized, or committed arson.
 

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Don't forget that when a black cop killed a white woman in the very same city just a couple years ago no one looted, vandalized, or committed arson.
You would see the same reaction if black cops were methodically killing white women. Even the perception would do the job. Remember the "Tulsa race riots"?
 

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I led my first protest in 1970 in Onaping Ontario.

Protest Parades or marching down the street are things of the past.
Streets act as a tunnel and are great for police when they want to kettle protesters.

Protests must be organized differently today.

No-Knock Protests :

Choose a day ..... and allow the individual protester to choose a time and place of their choosing, but on a specific date or day.

Encourage the protester to commit an act of disobedience on that day and which they feel comfortable with and in an area of the city they choose.

News reports the following day will detail how successful you were.

In no time flat, the Ruling Class will be begging to negotiate.
 

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Let the Ruling Class deal with these protesters like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan to quell the resistance..

Fly in skids of 100 dollar bills (2.4 Billion) and distribute it within the community.
 

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It is now reported there were white supremacy groups who infiltrated into the protesters and were setting the fires.

There were lots of black people looting the stores though, so they don't get a pass either.

There is both race and class wars in the US. Poverty seems to be the common thread.

You don't see wealthy white people battling in the streets with wealthy black people, and wealthy people don't get shot as often as poor people.

Trump has given a wink and a nod to alt right groups and given them a comfort level to act out that they didn't have before.
 

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Certainly, peaceful protester cannot be blamed for the violence. They have the right to protest and perhaps a patriotic duty to do so. It is either extreme individuals/groups (left and right) that should take the blame or (better even) Derek Chauvin who started all of this.

Made me think: will the word "chauvinism" attain a new meaning going forward?
 

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America always blames the stranger for their problems.
Russia, China and other Outsiders.
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Face it, the Ruling Class chose to allow the protests to get out of control so that Martial Law would be welcomed into the community. America has 250 years experience dealing with protests and the cause of civil unrest. They just play stupid.
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America has instigated protests around the globe. They know exactly what they are doing.
They protect protesters and looters in Hong Kong and Taiwan but demonize them at home.

The Revolution Business
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I have always contended that the rise of Hitler was "Managed" because of "Class Warfare" within societies and not simply because of "Religion".

The population attacked anybody who even smelled of weath and they attacked the most well-educated because they realized that they had been lied to for an eternity.

The Europeans remembered the Roaring 20's and how the Rich Folks flaunted their wealth and then during the early 1930s Europeans were having to take their family heirlooms to a pawnshop just to pay the rent.

I recall the immigration protests in 2006, and where protesters shut down cities by controlling the streets. Within a week Washington introduced a new "Idea" and called it "Comprehensive Immigration Reform". Blocking roadways is very costly because it prevents deliveries to business.

The Ruling Class are quite content having this protest appear to be about racism only and not the inequities of the Capitalist System. That is why they are out there in TV-Land talking about racism and not economic inequlity.

I am reminded of how we deal with cancer and how we view anti-semitism ..... The Ruling Class are always talking about the cure rather than the cause.
 

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Maybe not, but it might solve the problem of anarchist thugs thinking that they can loot, vandalize, and commit arson without suffering any consequences.

Don't forget that when a black cop killed a white woman in the very same city just a couple years ago no one looted, vandalized, or committed arson.
Probably because he was actually arrested and sentenced to 12.5 years in prison. Interesting how that works when it's a black cop? Shooting of Justine Damond - Wikipedia

Meanwhile Derek Chauvin had a history of disciplinary issues, and nothing was going to happen if the protests hadn't started. Which is pretty much what happens anytime a white cop kills a black man.
 
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