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Well it's clear to me that Trudeau expected a majority, wanted a victory lap and thanks for all his hard work.

He must be distraught, he ditched the new National Holiday he rushed into being so he could spend time with his family.
I guess that's how he related to his predecessors ripping children away from their families and abusing and killing them.
Never mind

His heart clearly isn't in politics anymore, he's not even pretending. It's time to step down.
 

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Yeah. Don't really see a reason for this.
It doesn't matter.
We know he is a racist. We know he fights indigenous children in court. Why would he reflect on a national holiday?
 

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Hey, he won the election. He doesn't really need to pretend that he actually cares or gives a **** anymore. It takes true arrogance to do what he did on the 30th and that is his victory dance.
 

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All the federal leaders agreed the day was for listening and reflecting upon the past, and they wouldn't indulge in press conferences or photo op situations.

They kept a low profile for the day, including Trudeau who after attending ceremonies the evening before, decided to travel from Ottawa with his family.

This is also the anniversary of the passing of Trudeau's father and younger brother, so there likely was a lot for him to reflect upon.

It looks like it was a last minute decision to go to Tofino, and Trudeau would have been wise to simply spend the day at home in Ottawa.

Most people agree the trip was bad optics for Trudeau and the conservative media has gone wild over it.

There doesn't appear to be the same outrage for Ontario's Premier Ford for popping up for photos after refusing to declare the day as a Provincial holiday.

I also wonder if Canadians will be comfortable with the media chasing the PM and his family everywhere, like the media stalked Princess Diana.

As Peter Mansbridge and his entire panel agreed........somebody in the PMO should have said.......traveling today is not a good idea.

Regardless of the facts, the deed is done and Trudeau will suffer a loss of standing because of it.
 
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I also think Trudeau should take a page out of Jean Chretien's handbook and do less public events and spend more time getting legislation passed.

As my dad said......Chretien is like a groundhog. He just pops up once a year or so and then gets back to work.

I think this is Trudeau's last term in office. His kids are growing up and he wants to spend more time with them. It is time to consider passing the torch.

Chrystia Freeland is waiting patiently in the wings.
 

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Yes, and interim CPC leader Rona Ambrose tweeting about Trudeau's vacation to the Aga Khan's island, while not bothering to mention that she was on a billionaire's yacht for two weeks even as she tweeted negatively about Trudeau. She never did reveal it.....until it was discovered by the media later.

The river of hypocrisy runs wide and deep in politics.

Was she the PM?
Was she funneling millions in handouts to them?
Was it found to be an ethics violation?

and forget the "not a photo op", that's dumb.
He could have met privately without a photo op, but of course, why do the work if you don't get the credit.

Alternatively he could have done the photo op thing to "raise visibility".
 

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The media chased Trudeau down to walking a beach in Tofino with his daughter. You think they wouldn't be following around to anywhere he went that day ?

If Trudeau had his picture taken anywhere, his haters would be screaming about that. If he stayed home all day....they would be screaming about that.

Some neo-Cons are so angry about losing the election, they are hyper ventilating.

I don't think O'Toole has a chance of remaining leader. He simply isn't hysterical enough for the hard core supporters.
 
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The media chased Trudeau down to walking a beach in Tofino with his daughter. You think they wouldn't be following around to anywhere he went that day ?

If Trudeau had his picture taken anywhere, his haters would be screaming about that. If he stayed home all day....they would be screaming about that.

Some neo-Cons are so angry about losing the election, they are hyper ventilating.

I don't think O'Toole has a chance of remaining leader. He simply isn't hysterical enough for the hard core supporters.
That's only newsworthy because they said "he's not on the beach", but of course, he was on the beach, because well he was on vacation in Tofino.

Of course no matter how bad Trudeau is, he lies about everything, big and small. Really would there was no reason to claim he wasn't on the beach, he rented a BEACH HOUSE!

Actually if he just stayed at home and did nothing, I'd be glad. I think the strongest point in the COVID19 crisis is when Trudeau was under self isolation and not actually "working". So yes, if he was at home, doing nothing, that would be an improvement.
 

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The media chased Trudeau down to walking a beach in Tofino with his daughter. You think they wouldn't be following around to anywhere he went that day ?

If Trudeau had his picture taken anywhere, his haters would be screaming about that. If he stayed home all day....they would be screaming about that.

Some neo-Cons are so angry about losing the election, they are hyper ventilating.

I don't think O'Toole has a chance of remaining leader. He simply isn't hysterical enough for the hard core supporters.
I do not believe it is an O'Toole issue though some misguided people within the Conservative Party would like to think so because it covers up the real challenge.

The real problem IMHO is that O'Toole was trying his best to be a moderate leader of a party that is not moderate. A Party that is completely out of touch with Canadian voters. He will no doubt be penalized by some for trying to move the Conservative Party slightly to the left in order to give them even a chance at forming Government.

I just read an article this morning. There are 116 urban seats in Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver. Out of a total of 338 seats.

How many of those seats did the Conservatives win in the election? Eight. That number alone speaks volumes about the federal Conservative Party and how they are perceived.

They actually lost several seats in Vancouver urban ridings.

This is much, much more than just the Leader. They need to start fixing the Party at the ground level.

The other proof point. Just consider how many of the Conservative Party's most talented MP's have departed. Ambrose, Moore, Canon, Baird, Raitt,etc. Moderates who knew how to get the vote out in urban areas. And how many 'star' candidates they attracted over the last two elections. Zero. They are left with the likes of Poilievre, Bergen, Rempel Garner.

Is it really any surprise that the Conservatives have lost the last three elections?? The Liberals do not have to be particularly good in order to beat the Conservatives. They simply have to show up.
 

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Virtue signalling eventually catches up to you when you are insincere. JT has nothing to gain anymore.
 

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This is much, much more than just the Leader. They need to start fixing the Party at the ground level.

The other proof point. Just consider how many of the Conservative Party's most talented MP's have departed. Ambrose, Moore, Canon, Baird, Raitt,etc.
But the Liberals got this same exodus, which hihgly talented MP's do they have left?

Is it really any surprise that the Conservatives have lost the last three elections?? The Liberals do not have to be particularly good in order to beat the Conservatives. They simply have to show up.
Well right now it looks like Trudeau isn't even going to show up.. so maybe they'll have a chance.

The problem with the O'Toole campaign was simply he dropped his principles to get elected, and actual liberal minded conservatives didn't like it. All 3 major national parties have gone big spending central government planning of everything, and that's just a non starter for any liberal, and most moderate conservatives.
 

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Are you kidding ? There is so much talent in the Liberal caucus that Trudeau doesn't know where to put them all. He might have to expand his cabinet.

There is a strong roster of female MPs to fill the spots of defeated and departed ministers. Conspicuous by her presence at Trudeau's visit to the Kanata clinic was Jenna Sudds, an economist and former deputy mayor of Ottawa.

Sudds' presence may have been a simple consequence of geography (she is the MP-elect for Kanata-Carleton, where the clinic is located). But as a professional mother from the suburbs, Sudds also embodies a core part of the Liberal voting base.

Kanata MP-elect Jenna Sudds is another strong prospect for cabinet. (Natalia Goodwin/CBC)

Helena Jaczek in Markham-Stouffville is a former provincial health minister. Jennifer O'Connell in Pickering-Uxbridge and Pam Damoff in Oakville North-Burlington are parliamentary secretaries who fended off the Conservative push to break into the GTA.

Then there are the newcomers. Leah Taylor Roy is a Harvard-educated businesswoman who defeated the floor-crossing Leona Alleslev in Aurora-Oak Ridges-Richmond Hill. Rechie Valdez in Mississauga-Streetsville has a background in corporate banking and is the first Filipino woman ever elected to the House of Commons.

Valerie Bradford in Kitchener South-Hespeler worked in economic development. Vivian Lapointe in Sudbury held senior positions in the Ontario public service.

In Quebec, union leader Pascal St-Onge (who narrowly won Brome-Missisquoi) was featured in television ads along with prominent ministers such as Melanie Joly, Steven Guilbeault and Pablo Rodriguez.

Before she won Pontiac, Sophie Chatel worked for the federal finance department on international tax policy — including work with the OECD on taxing digital giants.


 

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The right wing media are unhappy the PMO doesn't publicize the PM's exact whereabouts 24/7.

Maybe they would like the exact coordinates so crackpots could use to track him or his family or send a drone.

Imagine a reporter in the US walking up to the President while he was out for a walk with his family. They would get shot dead before they got close.
 

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Must be time for O'Toole to pull the plug on Trudeau. Take down the government in the next non-confidence vote to trigger a snap election nobody wants.
 

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In the last Parliament the Conservatives had to wait to see how the NDP were going to vote before they cast their votes.

The Cons didn't want to inadvertantly bring down the government. Trudeau didn't get a majority government but he does have a strong minority.

All he needs is support from one of the other parties to pass legislation.
 

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The past Parliament showed that the NDP can be very effective in opposition when they hold the balance of power.

It was NDP leader Singh who demanded the CERB benefits be paid immediately, without a lot of red tape and delay.

It was the NDP who pushed for eliminating waiting times to qualify for EI benefits and to increase payments.

It was the NDP who continually pushed the Liberals for more support for out of work Canadians and small businesses.

Personally, I am happy with the election results. I think a party with a majority doesn't listen to proposals from other parties.

Harper was doing well enough to get re-elected after two minority governments, but his government crashed and burned after he got a majority.

All in all........most Canadians are happy with the Liberals in power and the NDP looking over their shoulder.
 
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