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The only real way to avoid paying in advance these days is to book a flight on the day of departure.
Even then, my experience has been in recent years, in various parts of the world, you still must pay in advance to be assured you'll get on. For example, if you call at 10 a.m. and say to the airline that you want a seat on the 2 p.m. flight to Oxdrift, the airline will not hold a seat for you until you show up with cash in hand at boarding time. You will be required to pay with a credit card to get a confirmed booking. At least, that has been my experience. At the same time, I must say it has never occurred to me to resist paying in advance on the day of travel. But I suspect that if I told the airline that I'll wait to pay until I get to the ticket counter, I'll be told my reservation won't be guaranteed. And I am not sure I would consider the airline to be behaving badly in that circumstance.
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Yes, I suppose I should have written show up at the airport and then book and pay for a seat on the next flight leaving for Oxdrift. ie. in the next 14 minutes or so.

I don' think the airline would even register a booking on their computer if you did not pay at time of booking. I wonder what they would say if you called and said, 'any seats on your 2pm flight to Oxbrift? Yes, OK, reserve one for me and I will pay cash when I get to the airport.' Probably can't be done these days.

Not all progress is in fact progress.
 

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This article raises some interesting points re future travel. Things we might not tend to think about in terms of the effects and who and how they will be affected.

I see the Air Canada 20,000 layoffs as a clear indication of what they expect to happen in terms of travel for the next few years. I don't think a lot of people realize just how impacted travel is going to be for a few years. When we read that cruise bookings are up 600%, those people obviously think it is going to be 'back to normal' sometime soon.

Another lay off that indicates what we can expect is the Vancouver Airport layoff of 25% of their workforce based on what they expect to happen over the next 3 years.

I also think that as some countries ease up on travel, some are tightening up on visitors who arrive. The UK is announcing a 14 day quarantine period for all international travellers arriving in the country and that includes almost all business travellers as well as tourists.
So just because an airline will let someone book a seat on a flight doesn't mean it will make any sense to do so.
 

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Some latest news on future travel.

Some interesting questions and answers here:

This provides an interesting read from Rick Steves.
 

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We do not have enough information to even begin making travel plans. I suspect that we will not be going anywhere until next spring but who really knows. Things are getting better but some health experts are expecting a second wave of the virus in the September time frame. So we are not making any plans nor are we giving dime one to any travel provider until we are comfortable. Nor do we know what travel vendors will even be in business by the time this shakes out.

Like most people we will sit tight, stay safe, ignore the politicians, ignore the media hype, and wait this thing out. Not much else we can do. We do not see much point in speculation given that this is an entirely new challenge for all of us.
 

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We do not have enough information to even begin making travel plans. I suspect that we will not be going anywhere until next spring but who really knows. Things are getting better but some health experts are expecting a second wave of the virus in the September time frame. So we are not making any plans nor are we giving dime one to any travel provider until we are comfortable. Nor do we know what travel vendors will even be in business by the time this shakes out.

Like most people we will sit tight, stay safe, ignore the politicians, ignore the media hype, and wait this thing out. Not much else we can do. We do not see much point in speculation given that this is an entirely new challenge for all of us.
It's a good point about what travel vendors will even be in business ian. Hertz has filed for bankruptcy.

Not all their problems are related to Covid19 but it was obviously the straw that broke the camel's back. There may well be many other travel related businesses that we tend to think of as 'big and solid', who will also be gone in the next couple of years.

I think your guesstimate of next spring for travel may be optomistic unless you change your outlook on risk aversion or we have a vaccine.

One funny thing is that there are in fact safe places to go where there are zero cases and even in some cases have never had a single case since day one. The risk is actually to those living there if they allow tourism, not to the tourist going there. If we had a 'beam me up Scotty' mode of transport, I'd risk going to some of those places right now. It would in fact reduce our risk vs. staying where where we are!
 

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Well I suppose I have to admire Air Canada for trying. But that's all I will be doing.

I got an e-mail from them today linking to this:

So they are trying to get people to book by saying they are upgrading their cleaning and if you book and later decide to cancel they will give you a voucher that doesn't expire. They will NOT however give you a refund.

So they may get some suckers who will optimistically book and then only realize later on that it still isn't time to be flying anywhere if you don't have to.

Consensus seems to be that in the near future the airlines will be offering low prices to try and get bookings but in the longer term prices will rise to make up for having to fly with emptier planes.
 
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