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here we have a lovely article from the times about how the tariffs are even right now starting to bite deeply all over trumplandia ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/opinion/sunday/trump-china-tariffs-trade-farmers.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

the tariffs are hitting mitch mcconnell's bourbon, scott walker's wisconsin brewers and steve king's iowa's soybean growers ...

this will spread all across the land and begin to bite everywhere but mostly where trumpista's congregate who will start calling their congresspeople and bitching to high heaven ...

and there are now more jobs than people to fill them ... what are the hog plants, laundries and slaughterhouses going to do when they can't get anyone to work because all their hispanic labour has been i.c.e.d ?

sweet ...
 

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There is very little comprehension of the resolve of Trump's base in this thread.

These are people who double down when wrong. They would beat you up with a club for suggesting their grandmother should receive some sort of subsidy for her chemotherapy.

Kahuna, please explain it to them.

To think these folks can be reasoned with is both endearing and ignorant. I'm envious on both counts.
 

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By the way, we used to go to the us multiple times per year. That stopped a few years ago.

I support the boycott, have for years. I support our pm and think he is doing a decent job of managing this lousy situation. I support looking for other trade to cut out the us. I embrace the response that is being discussed here.

Where I vary is that I don't believe it will have a significant impact on Trump's base. These people could die of starvation and they would still know they are right. Do not under estimate the resolve of an irrational cult being fed a narrow stream of lies.

We will be hurt badly but we must move on and away from the Banana Republican united states.
 

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Tariffs on autos will push Canada into a recession.

In Ontario, 1 in 5 manufacturing jobs depends on the auto industry, which is one of the main economic GDP drivers in Canada.

Economic ripples will spread through the housing industry, oil industry and retailers to name a few sectors that would be negatively affected.

There isn't much we can do at this point beyond stand our ground. China should be the target of unequal trade............not Canada with whom the US has a trade surplus.

Trump doesn't bother with facts. Everything is a knee jerk reaction that can change at the drop of a hat. Trudeau is taking the right path but it may not be an easy one to follow.

This is a storm we are just going to have to ride out.
 

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Tariffs on autos will push Canada into a recession.

In Ontario, 1 in 5 manufacturing jobs depends on the auto industry, which is one of the main economic GDP drivers in Canada.

Economic ripples will spread through the housing industry, oil industry and retailers to name a few sectors that would be negatively affected.

There isn't much we can do at this point beyond stand our ground. China should be the target of unequal trade............not Canada with whom the US has a trade surplus.

Trump doesn't bother with facts. Everything is a knee jerk reaction that can change at the drop of a hat. Trudeau is taking the right path but it may not be an easy one to follow.

This is a storm we are just going to have to ride out.
China is the main beneficiary of the Paris Accord you love-now you are turning against Communist China? We must protect Communist China at all costs.
 

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Where I vary is that I don't believe it will have a significant impact on Trump's base. These people could die of starvation and they would still know they are right. Do not under estimate the resolve of an irrational cult being fed a narrow stream of lies.
I believe that Trump did not win the 2016 election solely by the support of his base. Many 'undecideds' didn't want to take a chance with Hillary; didn't like her for one reason or another - despite the fact that she was uniquely qualified for the position given her resume. They decided to give Trump a chance.

I somehow doubt now, those same people would vote the same in the mid-terms, and in 2020 - unless the Dems find another controversial candidate.
 

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I believe that Trump did not win the 2016 election solely by the support of his base. Many 'undecideds' didn't want to take a chance with Hillary; didn't like her for one reason or another - despite the fact that she was uniquely qualified for the position given her resume. They decided to give Trump a chance.

I somehow doubt now, those same people would vote the same in the mid-terms, and in 2020 - unless the Dems find another controversial candidate.
You can't be serious-Trump has had a great run so far-the only voters against Trump hate the guy with an irrational passion-overall consumer confidence is the highest since 2005-small business confidence highest since 1984.
 

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I believe that Trump did not win the 2016 election solely by the support of his base. Many 'undecideds' didn't want to take a chance with Hillary; didn't like her for one reason or another - despite the fact that she was uniquely qualified for the position given her resume. They decided to give Trump a chance.

I somehow doubt now, those same people would vote the same in the mid-terms, and in 2020 - unless the Dems find another controversial candidate.


i'd be happy to stand corrected, but in the meantime it's my belief that there'll be no electoral college effect in the mid-terms.

at the time of the 2016 election, some analysts said that significant numbers of middle-class women voters in the surprise states that turned red - ie michigan, ohio, indiana, wisconsin - ie women voters who had previously voted the straight democratic ticket - suddenly turned to trump at the very last minute.

it was said that the last-minute re-opening of doubt over hillary clinton's e-mails by the FBI plus the fact that clinton had not campaigned sufficiently in those states were the negatives that pushed the electoral college vote into trumpland, although clinton won the popular vote.

i for one don't see how those unique circumstances could be reproduced in the midterms. I'm expecting traditional democrat voters to return to the fold.


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Canada and the US have reached a deal to end the steel (25%) and aluminum (10%) tariffs, in 2 days.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tariff-steel-aluminum-deal-canada-trump-1.5140031
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/u-s-agrees-to-lift-steel-aluminum-tariffs-on-canada-mexico-1.1260638
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/the-work-that-we-needed-to-get-done-has-been-done-morneau-on-tariffs-and-nafta-s-future-1.1260805

Good job by Trudeau & team to put an end to this. They've negotiated both NAFTA and these nuisance issues pretty well, I think.
 

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Why not just title every thread with the heading "We hate Trump and everything is his fault"?

Our country is in a mess not because of Trump, but because people voted for an arrogant and incompetent socialist with a nice haircut.
 

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Trudeau and his team waited calmly until Trump lost interest and then they swooped in and got a deal. It turned out to be a good strategy to exploit Trump's short attention span.
 

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I agree with you on this, but am sure the WH was told that Canada and Mexico were United on this.
There is also the domestic angle. The tarrifs were never really popular, and one thing about Trump is that he changes his mind. He had enough people he respected tell him they needed to go, so he backed off.
 

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I agree there is a growing ground swell in the US against the costs associated with tariffs especially when export markets dry up or when sticker shock shows at the cash register.
 

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I agree Trump got enough pressure from within his country to lift the tarrifs that made no sense to begin with.

He also badly needs a win since none of his deals has closed successfully or easily as he claimed. China case in point. Nafta looks like relatively low hanging fruit once tarrifs were out of the way, congress notwithstading.
 
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