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The problem with the open, closed, open, closed, plan for schools is that parents have to scramble now to find day care for their kids.

Ontario voters will have an easy choice next spring. Boot Ford and elect Horvath.

Voters will have a choice between the NDP and a totally inept Conservative government.
... well yeah, if Ontarians aren't happy with their government, then the musical chair / switcheroo game plays again.

It'll be most unfortunate if someone else gets the crowning glory of Premier at the next election considering Ford took the brunt of the nasties from the pandemic. That's why it's so ever important that he keeps his eye on the balls for the voters and not sit on his tussies thinking he has done a fantastic job. The job ain't over until the pandemic is over.
 

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Yea, I had to laugh today when on the radio a Conservative pundit said...

Doug is a real nice guy and tries hard, but he isn't a deep thinker. He is better letting someone else take charge over things.

I have to admit that Christine Elliot has done a pretty good job since she took over.
 

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I don’t know why ontario isn’t lowering the age for booster shots. Seems there isn’t huge demand.
I think they have to watch capacity, the demand for childrens shots this morning was crazy. 20 minute wait to access the website and book.

Also I heard they want a 24 week wait, if they do that then they don't have to make a bunch of rules and decisions, just say "after 24 weeks you can get a booster".
 

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Yea, I had to laugh today when on the radio a Conservative pundit said...

Doug is a real nice guy and tries hard, but he isn't a deep thinker. He is better letting someone else take charge over things.

I have to admit that Christine Elliot has done a pretty good job since she took over.
... I say so-so on Ms. Elliott as both rocks the same boat.
 

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Anti-vaxxing desperados with the need to attack an ice-cream manufacturer too. :rolleyes:

I wonder which company is next ... would be cool if it's a bank or some big (financial) institution. Let's see whose mouths are bigger.

Anti-vaxxers 'boycotting' Chapman's ice cream
Published Nov. 22, 2021 2:10 p.m. EST

MARKDALE, ONT. -
Anti-vaxxers are targeting Chapman's ice cream over the company's COVID-19 vaccination policy, threatening members of the family-owned business.

“In fact, I got a threatening package this morning from Druthers, saying 'the hundreds of employees you’ve fired,' now we’re going to come out with an article, and that will show you who’s boss,” says the vice-president of the family-run ice cream company, Ashley Chapman.

Druthers is an anti-vaccine, anti-COVID-19-restriction alternative "news" publication

On Nov. 12, Chapman’s announced they’d be giving their fully-vaccinated employees a $1 per hour raise by month’s end. Disgruntled employees leaked the raise news to some anti-vaccine groups, who have in turn launched a boycott of Chapman’s products.

That came less than a week after, Chapman’s started twice-a-week rapid testing for about 100 of their 850 employees, who had decided against getting vaccinated. Five employees refused, and are currently on unpaid leave.

“The far-right anti-vaxxers have taken it up, as in, we’re horrible people, and we need to be taught a lesson,” says Chapman.

So far, Chapman says the boycott has not impacted sales of their ice cream treats at all. He calls the boycott “frustrating” since the company was trying to find a middle ground, by deciding against a vaccine mandate, as many other organizations and businesses have.

“We’re really trying hard to work with these people, but it can be tough at times, especially when you’re being boycotted for this. It seems a bit ridiculous,” he says.

A counter movement, #IStandwithChapmans, has gained a little momentum with supporters who are promising to buy even more ice cream in the coming months to support the Markdale, Ont.-based company.

“It’s been overwhelming on the other side of things, it’s just that the negative comments, they hurt. We’re trying to do good in everything we do, so this was somewhat unexpected,” he says.

The $1 per hour premium for fully-vaccinated Chapman’s employees takes effect Nov. 28. The unpaid leave for the five employees who refused rapid testing started Monday.

In March 2020, the ice cream company announced a "pandemic pay boost," giving employee a $2 per hour pay increase. The wage increase became permanent later that year.

#IStandWithChapmans trends on social media following boycott led by anti-vaxxers

By Adam BellNovember 24, 2021 12:08pm

A boycott of a local ice cream manufacturer has ended positively according to the company’s owner.

Chapman’s Ice Cream was targeted recently online over the company’s COVID-19 vaccination policy, which included a $1-per-hour bump to any employee that was double-vaccinated, but Vice President Ashley Chapman says the emergence of the hashtag “#IStandWithChapmans” has led to an overwhelmingly-positive response from Chapman’s customers across the country.

Chapman tells CKNX “We came to the conclusion that here we are, as a company, giving money to unvaccinated people that work for us, whereas the vast majority, over 90%, of our employees have been vaccinated. So we thought, you know what? This isn’t fair”.

Chapman is referring to the cost associated with acquiring rapid test kits for unvaccinated employees, noting they were going to continue employing those that weren’t vaccinated, but they would have to submit to a rapid test twice per week.

Chapman said “We figured the cost-per-unvaccinated employee was going to be around $40. Came to conclusion that if we were going to spend this money on unvaccinated people, we should be spending the same amount of those that are vaccinated”.

“That’s when we put up the policy regarding the $1.00-per-hour increase for vaccinated employees”.


This was when a targeting campaign, seemingly led by “anti-vaxxers” from across Canada, was launched, leading to a hugely-negative response for the Markdale-based ice cream maker.
Asked if he had received threats, Chapman said “Oh yes, absolutely”.

“Voicemail messages left to us were unreal” said Chapman. “Most threatening ones were anonymous. One gentleman left a very aggressive message on my father’s answering machine, accusing him of being like Hitler, and that he was a Nazi, and that we should all be hauled in front of a judge and tried”.

Soon after the negative response, however, came what Chapman described as an “Overwhelmingly-positive outpouring of support” from customers across the country, sending the hashtag “#IStandWithChapmans” trending.

Chapman says the company’s reputation remains intact, and they will continue to pay workers “Well above a living wage” and continue to make donations that benefit the local community.
... the above bolded parts in purple sounds very familiar / similar to some of the flames on this forum. ...hmmm.
 

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^ They (or the 5) maybe fine but 1. for how long, and 2. what's with the attacks on the employer? You think the employer are going to let off disgruntled employees? I think the employer needs to file a police report.
 

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What attack? A news media article? A boycott of products? If customers decide to boycott a product based on actions of the producer then is the producer to file a police report?
Everyone who doesn't buy Chapman should end up in handcuffs?

And regarding your question to Mr. Matt;

How is he supposed to know whether your statement was malicious or just based on your lack of knowledge? Only you know that.
 

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He knows he is playing scrabble in his posts.
 

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^ They (or the 5) maybe fine but 1. for how long, and 2. what's with the attacks on the employer? You think the employer are going to let off disgruntled employees? I think the employer needs to file a police report.
... and more revelations on what an employer gets for trying to accommodate the savages:

Chapman's Ice Cream says positive feedback has far outweighed negative after onslaught from anti-vaxxers

Anti-vaxxers have lashed out at Chapman’s Ice Cream over a pay increase for fully vaccinated employees. The VP calls the attacks ‘vile.’

Joshua Freeman, CP24 Web Content Writer
Last Updated Wednesday, November 24, 2021 7:12PM EST

Despite an onslaught of hatred from anti-vaccine activists over a pay bump for vaccinated employees, Chapman’s Ice Cream says it has in fact received far more positive feedback than negative.

“The positive backlash of this has been overwhelming — 10 to 20 times more positive than negative at this point,” Champan’s vice-president Ashley Chapman told CP24 Wednesday. “And I really believe that most of Canada is standing behind Champan’s for trying to do the right thing.”

The furor around the Canadian ice cream company, based in Markdale, Ont., started after the company told its employees that it would give a one dollar per hour raise to vaccinated employees, the logic being that the company was spending roughly the equivalent to frequently test each unvaccinated employee.

“I was having a chat with my mother and we just decided you know what? It's not fair that we're treating the unvaccinated and paying them more essentially than the vaccinated. So we thought, fair enough. We'll cover the test for the unvaccinated to make sure everybody's safe. And everybody else gets a $1 increase.”

Chapman estimates that less than 10 per cent of some 850 workers at the family-run company are unvaccinated. He said the company figured out that it was spending around $40 per week on regular COVID-19 testing for those employees.

The company has not fired anyone for not getting vaccinated. Chapman said his family saw the move as a middle-of-the-road approach to keep workers safe without stigmatizing anyone.

But the company started getting bombarded with hate online after an employee took a screengrab of a notice about the policy and posted it in an anti-vaxxer forum.


Chapman said the response was “shocking.”

“The aggression, the threats, the everything has just been constant,” he said. “The most vile things that you can possibly think of to say to another human being have come out.


He said that includes messages from people saying they hope the whole family dies of cancer or that their business burns to the ground and they’re left with nothing.

“And those are not the worst of the things that we've been getting,” Chapman said. “Frankly, it's been shocking. These people really should be ashamed of themselves for what they're saying.”

He said once the screengrab was out on the internet, those spewing hate at the company "didn't care about the facts,” including the fact that the company has not forced anyone to get vaccinated.

“We want to take the middle ground in this whole stance to try and give a little compassion to the people that are unvaccinated and not treat them like they're their lepers or something. And the anti-vaxxers have decided that that we should be punished for not doing exactly what they think is right.


But while some vilified the company because of its policy and called for a boycott, others praised it for taking steps to protect its workers.

“Oh, I think I’ll be adding @Chapmans_Canada ice cream sandwich bars to my grocery order. Yeah. There will be no boycotting of Chapmans here,” one Twitter user wrote.

Others started using the hashtag #StandWithChapmans.

“I hear anti-vaxxers are bullying Chapman's. Where do I buy some of this #ChapmansIceCream ?” another user wrote.

Food processing facilities have seen a high rate of COVID-19 outbreaks throughout the pandemic, often because it is difficult to distance in the workspace. Companies have come under pressure to make their facilities safer for workers.

It's not the first time that the company has received strong praise from the public.

Earlier in the pandemic, Chapman’s offered up ultra-cold freezers to help store the Pfizer vaccine, which requires storage temperatures below -70 Celsius and also offered all of its workers a permanent pay bump.
... as much as I love Chapmans and will support them as part of the positive feedback, however, I'm wary about the kind (or a start) of the un-believeable and un-called for hostility online towards the company on trying to be (very) fair towards all its employees. I'll definitely be looking very closely at any of their products purchased in the next while in case of sabotage especially knowing 1. they still have these kind of disgruntled employees, and 2. god know what these are capable of next.
 

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What attack? A news media article? A boycott of products? If customers decide to boycott a product based on actions of the producer then is the producer to file a police report?
Everyone who doesn't buy Chapman should end up in handcuffs?

And regarding your question to Mr. Matt;

How is he supposed to know whether your statement was malicious or just based on your lack of knowledge? Only you know that.
... the article in my post #5194 just now says it all about ... you ... without the need to write up a 2 pages post ... for facts, data, the genius in you ... blah blah blah. the whole 9 yards.
 

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It really doesn't.
It just shows that there are idiots online - not exactly groundbreaking knowledge.
Doesn't say anything that employees are harassing the employer, and you want to prosecute them for some sick reason.
 

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It really doesn't.
It just shows that there are idiots online - not exactly groundbreaking knowledge.
Doesn't say anything that employees are harassing the employer, and you want to prosecute them for some sick reason.
... not yet ... until the police sleuths out exactly who made those calls. Don't forget the company's policy (supposedly private and confidential being company's property) didn't mysteriously jumped over on its own to the anti-vaxxers' forum. 5 names ain't hard for the police to monitor.

It's now 10 am Thursday (work weekday) and aren't you supposedly to be "working" on your "paid-job" (paid by someone else that includes 3 x a week Covid rapid test accomodation) and not here on this forum?
 

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Knowledge-based economy - don't clock in and out. As long as I get my tasks done and come up with a way to save/earn money for my employer I have no issues checking out news, listening to music, or doing other things during the time.

a) if police bothered about every single stupid phone call then they would have no time for anything else
b) I wasn't aware that NDAs also cover basic HR policies
c) you make assumption that it was one of 5 people that shared the HR policy - although that is a possibility, it is far from given. Vaccinated people or people willing to be tested can also disagree with the policy
 

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Knowledge-based economy - don't clock in and out. As long as I get my tasks done and come up with a way to save/earn money for my employer I have no issues checking out news, listening to music, or doing other things during the time.
... your buddy MrMatt, the manager would love to hear your ... excuse. Half an hour stepping out to a restaurant for his employee is considered company's time regardless.

a) if police bothered about every single stupid phone call then they would have no time for anything else
b) I wasn't aware that NDAs also cover basic HR policies
c) you make assumption that it was one of 5 people that shared the HR policy - although that is a possibility, it is far from given. Vaccinated people or people willing to be tested can also disagree with the policy
... depends on how hard the Chapman owners presses for an investigation and how diligent is the town's police-force. Don't know what an NDA is and don't care.

The very first "fact" is someone (an employee) has already violated company's policy of posting "confidential information" on a public forum. And it's very unlikely a "vaccinated" employee getting a $1 raise would be disgruntled enough to do that as if he/she enjoys shooting him/herself in the foot.
 

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For the facts and data-loving crowd on this forum to enjoy the read.

Only nine Ontarians under the age of 60 have ended up in the ICU with a breakthrough case of COVID-19, newly released data shows

Chris Fox, CP24 Web Content Writer
Published Thursday, November 25, 2021 10:40AM EST

There have been more than 17,000 so-called breakthrough cases of COVID-19 involving fully vaccinated Ontarians over the last year but the number of those people under 60 who eventually ended up in an intensive care unit is only nine.

Public Health Ontario has compiled a new report examining the prevalence of breakthrough infections in the province up until Nov. 14.

The report provides the most exhaustive look at breakthrough infections in Ontario to date and seems to support the testimony of public health experts, who have consistently argued that the vaccines are extremely effective at preventing both symptomatic infection and hospitalizations.

The data shows that there have been 17,596 breakthrough cases among the more than 11 million Ontarians who are fully vaccinated, accounting for 3.8 per cent of all lab-confirmed cases.

But it also suggests that the share of fully vaccinated people who end up in hospital is even lower, particularly among those under the age of 60.

In fact, over the last year there have been just 83 people under the age of 60 who have ended up in hospital with a breakthrough case of COVID-19. Of those individuals, just nine of them have required treatment in an intensive care unit.

As a point of comparison a total of 8,355 unvaccinated individuals
under the age of 60 have ended up in hospital with COVID-19 over the same time-period and 1,722 of them have required treatment in the ICU.


Across all age groups the number of individuals with breakthrough infections who ended up in intensive care is 81, accounting for about 1.9 per cent of COVID-19 ICU admissions.

The release of the data comes as fully vaccinated individuals begin to account for an increasingly larger share of Ontario’s overall caseload, sometimes even making up the majority of new infections in the province’s daily case counts.

But the authors of the report caution that an increasing share of breakthrough infections is to be expected with more than 85 per cent of Ontarians age 12 and up now fully vaccinated.

They do say that the evidence continues to suggest that when COVID-19 cases occur following vaccination there is evidence that vaccines reduce symptomatic infection, the severity of illness, as well as transmission.”

“Over time as a population becomes more highly vaccinated the number of post-vaccination cases, including breakthrough cases, will likely increase,” the report notes. “Even with a highly effective vaccine, cases may occur among vaccinated individuals due to a larger proportion of the population being vaccinated than unvaccinated.”

The data released by Public Health Ontario suggests that the rate of COVID-19 infections in fully vaccinated individuals has “remained consistent over time,” even with many of those people now months removed from receiving their second doses and Ontario beginning to administer booster shots to a small group of individuals amid concerns about waning immunity.

However, infectious disease specialist Dr. Isaac Bogoch told CP24 on Thursday morning that it also points to the need for a wider rollout of third doses.

So far there have only been 40 instances of breakthrough cases of COVID-19 involving individuals who are 14 days out from a third dose.

“If we look at the data it is pretty clear that we could expand or should expand eligibility for third doses,” he said. “We don’t all need third doses and we can debate which age cohort would be best served by third doses at this time but my take is the 50 and up crowd. Other people might look at the data and say something else. That is OK. But I think it is fair to say that we should be expanding third doses in Ontario.”
 
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