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There have been many other elections during the pandemic, including the recent win by Conservatives in Nova Scotia.

I don't hear Conservatives complaining about that election. The US had a Presidential and Congressional election. Israel had an election.

I think we will manage, despite Elections Canada creating unnecessary problems at the polls. They are due for a shakeup there.
Was the Nova Scotia election called by the dissolution of PM, or the scheduled election?
 

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A interesting chart. One positive is the overall death rate is away down compared to previous surges.
That is kind of expected with the usage of vaccines. The issue is if the deaths keep increasing. All you have to think is that if we didn't have the vaccine, you would see numbers at least 2 to 3 times as high.
 

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That is kind of expected with the usage of vaccines. The issue is if the deaths keep increasing. All you have to think is that if we didn't have the vaccine, you would see numbers at least 2 to 3 times as high.
I'm not sure if those vaccines really help especially after 5-7 months... Looking at daily Ontaario stats, percentage of fully vaccinated who got virus is increasing week to week (even though the officials are playing with numbers, attributing sick with "vaccination status unknown -(still don;t get this definition) to non-vaccinated).
In Israel (who started vaccination 1st in the World), when recent wave started , also only 10-15% new cases got fully vaccinated. 2 weeks ago, they reported that already 60% fully vaccinated among new cases. And this is when about 30% of population got 3 jabs!

If Canada want to limit new cases, they need do "preemptive strike" by starting to give 2rd dose ASAP , as many people , especially old ones, got 2nd dose 6+ months ago.
 

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I'm not sure if those vaccines really help especially after 5-7 months... Looking at daily Ontaario stats, percentage of fully vaccinated who got virus is increasing week to week (even though the officials are playing with numbers, attributing sick with "vaccination status unknown -(still don;t get this definition) to non-vaccinated).
In Israel (who started vaccination 1st in the World), when recent wave started , also only 10-15% new cases got fully vaccinated. 2 weeks ago, they reported that already 60% fully vaccinated among new cases. And this is when about 30% of population got 3 jabs!

If Canada want to limit new cases, they need do "preemptive strike" by starting to give 2rd dose ASAP , as many people , especially old ones, got 2nd dose 6+ months ago.
It's obvious math, when more and more of the population is vaccinated, you'll start seeing more breakthroughs, even if they are a low percentage. The questions are: what demographic, and what's the result. If the breakthrough demographic consists of the most vulnerable/susceptible to covid due to age, or other health reasons, then there's little indication that giving a 3rd does to those outside of that demographic is useful. Even if there's a breakthrough, and there's a lower rate of those going to the ICU than the unvaxxed, then it looks like the vaccine is working as expected and still effective.

The ship has sailed as far as trying to limit new cases, the question is how to make sure that the most vulnerable aren't going to die when they get infected.

Let's put it this way, is the effort on getting 10% of the population their 3rd shot to increase protection from 80-90% (just making up numbers to illustrate a point), outweighs getting 20% of the population their first shot in increase their protection from 0-70%?
 

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Apparently the lowest vaccination rates in Saskatchewan are among north American Indians, around 30-40%

if they don’t care about their life or health, why should all people in the province to return to the lockdowns?

The Lac La Ronge Indian Band in the province’s northeast is giving $300 to every member who gets two jabs.
 

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Not surprising. Natives have a very bad and very recent history with government mandated medical procedures, supposedly for the good of rest of the society.
Now for refusing another government mandated medical procedure, after forced sterilizations, they will be punished by unemployment and further alienation from society.
 

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It's obvious math, when more and more of the population is vaccinated, you'll start seeing more breakthroughs, even if they are a low percentage.
Israel practically finished vaccination in March! Last months they became the leaders again as they started to vaccinate kids 5+ and 3rd dose for 12+.
So, it's obvious that vaccines stop protecting you after 5-7 months
 

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Israel practically finished vaccination in March! Last months they became the leaders again as they started to vaccinate kids 5+ and 3rd dose for 12+.
So, it's obvious that vaccines stop protecting you after 5-7 months
I wouldn't say that. The breakthroughs leading to hospitalizations seem to be mostly those 60+ with comorbidities.

The majority of these patients received two vaccine doses at least five months ago, are over the age of 60 and also have chronic illnesses known to exacerbate a coronavirus infection. They range from diabetes to heart disease and lung ailments, as well as cancers and inflammatory diseases that are treated with immune-system suppressing drugs, according to Reuters interviews with 11 doctors, health specialists and officials.

To me, that means providing a 3rd dose to those populations may make sense, but giving a 3rd dose to everyone doesn't. It's about resources, we provide a 3rd dose to people who don't really need it, or we provide 1st doses to give some protection to everyone else.

From the same article, about the younger unvaccinated:

In contrast, “the unvaccinated COVID patients we see are young, healthy, working people and their condition deteriorates rapidly,” she said. “Suddenly they’re being put on oxygen or on a respirator.”
 

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I wouldn't say that. The breakthroughs leading to hospitalizations seem to be mostly those 60+ with comorbidities.

The majority of these patients received two vaccine doses at least five months ago, are over the age of 60 and also have chronic illnesses known to exacerbate a coronavirus infection. They range from diabetes to heart disease and lung ailments, as well as cancers and inflammatory diseases that are treated with immune-system suppressing drugs, according to Reuters interviews with 11 doctors, health specialists and officials.

To me, that means providing a 3rd dose to those populations may make sense, but giving a 3rd dose to everyone doesn't. It's about resources, we provide a 3rd dose to people who don't really need it, or we provide 1st doses to give some protection to everyone else.

From the same article, about the younger unvaccinated:

In contrast, “the unvaccinated COVID patients we see are young, healthy, working people and their condition deteriorates rapidly,” she said. “Suddenly they’re being put on oxygen or on a respirator.”
In Canada everyone could have 1st and 2nd doses long time ago, so I don’t understand what you are talking about!
Sure, Canada should have start with giving 3rd dose to 60+, however , my mom, MIL, uncle, aunt who are 75+ and had 2nd dose 6 months ago, still cannot get 3rd dose
 

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Saskatchewan today. once you substract kids and unvaccinated, everything looks fine. And we don’t need to wear masks in grocery stores since July.
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Saskatchewan today. once you substract kids and unvaccinated, everything looks fine.
Boy is this a misreading of the SK situation.

Look at the current stats. I agree that case numbers alone aren't necessarily important (since cases might be mild or even asymptomatic).

But click on Saskatchewan, and then hospitalizations. SK has now hit an all time high in hospitilizations. ICU usage is also about to hit an all time record high.

Saskatchewan is in danger of seeing the healthcare system severely impaired in the coming weeks, just like Alberta has now seen.

Alberta is in even worse shape, just slightly worse, with all time high hospitalizations AND definitely a new high in ICU usage.

This is what shitty government gets you. Those premiers Kenney and Moe have totally failed at their duty to protect the public. Absolutely shameful and people are literally dying due these men not doing their jobs.

Manitoba at least smartened up and got tougher on their policies, and you can see the good results. Unlike the neighbouring provinces, case counts are barely rising right now. I was in Winnipeg a couple weeks ago and the public is very cautious. Everyone wearing masks and acting nicely... I was very pleased with what I saw.
 

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This is what shitty government gets you. Those premiers Kenney and Moe have totally failed at their duty to protect the public. Absolutely shameful and people are literally dying due these men not doing their jobs.
People had a chance to get vaccinated. If they didn’t I am okay with placing them in the warehouse to free up the hospitals.
It’s coming vaccine passports will be implemented in Saskatchewan
 

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But muh rights/it's a liberal conspiracy/etc...
Yes, that's why it's a balance.

I think it's reasonable to wear a mask, it's a minor inconvenience at best, and there is literally no health risk to the person.
I think it is reasonable to minimize close contact, no more lap dances out by the airport.

I think it's reasonable to isolate symptomatic people.
 

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Its over once everyone is either protected by the vaccine or survives being infected with the virus.

Then, we need to feed the media with some Trump material to change subject.
It's over once we're not overloading hospitals.
SARS ended without a vaccine or many people being infected.

It's also possible that getting the vaccine or being infected isn't enough to offer protection.
It is going to take more than the vaccines we have today.
 
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