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There’s a lot of staff in acute care doing nothing if 98% of beds are not in use
Easy to redirect some of that staff to icu
Of course that’s not news worthy.
 

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You have to be careful of any numbers coming from Kenney's office. His nickname is Slippery for a reason.
 

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There’s a lot of staff in acute care doing nothing if 98% of beds are not in use
Easy to redirect some of that staff to icu
Of course that’s not news worthy.
Not true. The staff trained in ICU have specialized training, the patient ratios are also different in ICU vs acute. The challenge right now is that ICU at capacity. Those coming in for Covid can move really rapidly in there, so that prevents others who have surgeries from getting the surgeries in case something goes wrong.

what a lot of people see is the hospital going through emergency if you are going through emergency but it’s not life and death. They are doing a great job there, we have had to be in the hopistals more than our fair share during the last year and half. What most dont see are those in ICU, it’s a whole other thing. That’s where a lot of the Covid patients are ending up.
 

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No actually not the same, which is why the pay is different depending on where they work in the hospital.

My wife worked on surgery floors and the burn unit. That doesn't mean she is qualified to work in the operating room or obstetrics.

Nurses can be called in to other areas where they lack expertise, but they may do the paper work and other functions so the ICU nurses can do more critical care.

Nurses know the basics but they are also very much specialists.
 

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RN is a RN, work horses of ICU, emerg & acute...same skills.
Except in acute care you will have many NAs some LPNs and a few RNs that supervise the over all section. So maybe four or five RNs will be overseeing 40 or so patients (donf know the exact ratio). In ICU you will have a much lower ratios of RNs. So taking one RN from another RN, would be servicing 10 less patients. So all of a sudden taking one RN reduces acute care by 25% capacity. There is also a minimum number of RNs that must be available even in acute care. I don’t have the exact ratios, but I don’t think I am that far off.
 

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That doesn't make any sense.

They say that 98% of hospital beds in Calgary are full and 96% in Edmonton.

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You have to be careful of any numbers coming from Kenney's office. His nickname is Slippery for a reason.
It is because of your constant cheap shots at people you don't like that I don't give you an ounce of credibility.
 

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RN is a RN, work horses of ICU, emerg & acute...same skills.
Uhh no.

A RN is like a Doctor. They'll have different specialities.

I'd suggests a psychiatrist might not be the MD you want treating COVID.
Just as a Pschyiatric nurse might not be the ideal choice to treat COVID.
 

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How much credibility do you give the doctors in Alberta ?

you are a long ways from Alberta and you spend to much time with your union buddies.. There has been a constant campaign against Alberta from day 1. When one looks at overall death rates from day 1 Quebec is the clear leader but Legault has the highest ratings. In every province doctors have been criticizing the measures or lack of measures in their province and have been demanding more restrictions and lockdown. I yawn when I see the national networks constantly focused on Alberta.
 

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Uhh no.

A RN is like a Doctor. They'll have different specialities.

I'd suggests a psychiatrist might not be the MD you want treating COVID.
Just as a Pschyiatric nurse might not be the ideal choice to treat COVID.
That would actually be an APRN ...otherwise they all get the same education. But ya...if a RN works in ICU she would be better able to do the job than an RN from emerg and vice versa. (My brother has been an RN for decades but his specialty was a desk job running the union....still he has worked in ICU.)

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Over the last year, AHS has filled more than 1,000 vacancies for registered nurses. There are approximately 1,700 more RNs working in AHS today than in 2019. But of course we are over run.
 

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Of those Denmark, Spain & the UK are removing mask requirements & restrictions. Germany as well although not on your list. Portugal will remove restrictions at end of this month. Canada is going in reverse it seems even though our part time teacher requires 30 million voters to comingle pretending thats safe but a anti mask rally of 100 people isn't. US doesn't really have any restrictions...65000 fans at the Ravens game.
 

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It's worth comparing the death rates. Denmark, Germany, and Portugal are the only ones with lower death rates than Canada, while US and UK are on the upswing, and Spain is on a downward.
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It's worth comparing the death rates. Denmark, Germany, and Portugal are the only ones with lower death rates than Canada, while US and UK are on the upswing, and Spain is on a downward.
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And “ Denmark has lifted the last of its coronavirus restrictions, effectively declaring that the virus was no longer a “critical threat to society” and allowing the country to get back to a semblance of prepandemic normal.”! Amazing!
Regarding Canadian deaths numbers ... it’s very fishy , Ontario reports NOW , dozens of deaths that happened 2+ months ago ! Who knows what are real numbers?!
 

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Alberta's Health Minister Deena Hinshaw apologized for recommending removing restrictions and said the government decision led to the 4th wave crisis.

Elective and day surgeries are cancelled and doctors say the next step is only performing "life and limb" treatment.

Meanwhile nurse shortages have closed ER departments in some Alberta hospitals and raised the ICU patient per nurse ratio from 1 to 3.

Hinshaw is trying to distance herself from the Kenney government.

Removing restrictions was a disaster for Alberta.

Hinshaw also said the messaging that emerged from the decision to lift restrictions has made it difficult to reintroduce public health measures.

"I feel very responsible for the narrative that has made it more complicated to try to put additional public health measures in place, because whether or not it was my intention, what was heard at the end of July was, 'COVID's over. We can walk away and ignore it,'" Hinshaw said.

"That has had repercussions … and I deeply regret how that has played out."


 

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Ontario should learn from Alberta's experience and be very careful removing restrictions.

People are only kidding themselves we will get through this 4th wave and potential future ones without applying even more restrictions.

Wishing and hoping isn't going to work.
 

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Ontario should learn from Alberta's experience and be very careful removing restrictions.

People are only kidding themselves we will get through this 4th wave and potential future ones without applying even more restrictions.

Wishing and hoping isn't going to work.
Too bad some idiot called an election during a pandemic.
 

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There have been many other elections during the pandemic, including the recent win by Conservatives in Nova Scotia.

I don't hear Conservatives complaining about that election. The US had a Presidential and Congressional election. Israel had an election.

I think we will manage, despite Elections Canada creating unnecessary problems at the polls. They are due for a shakeup there.
 
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