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In a recent interaction with TD Waterhouse, I yet again asked the status of USD RRSPs. Answer (paraphrased): "We are working on it. yada, yada, yada. We are expecting to offer a USD RRSP in 2015".

It's adieu for me. I'm moving to probably BMO which is currently offering a $250 bribe.
looking at article below, looks like BMO is a clear winner form big bank discount brokerages, especially for US$ stocks... I have curently accounts in TDW and Investor Edge.... Investor Egde only wins everyone in lowest fees... Maybe I also should consider start moving accounts from TDW to BMO....
Do you know how much should be your account to get $9.95 per trade and not to pay administration fees?
Also, how is working US$ RRSP in BMO. If for example i'm DRIPping US stock...got in dividends $100US and now stock price is $50US, would I get 2 new shares? or still any fees will be involved?
and....what $250 you are talking about?
 
MOA, will be waiting...
just searces BMO Investor line and found that "At this time, US dollar denominated securities held with BMO InvestoLine are not eligible for the Dividend Reinvestment Program. Typically, Canadian securities that are enrolled in the DRIP should be held on the Canadian side of your account."
I don't like it as well as I DRIP PM, MO, T, COP and some more....

Also, just now was talking with TDW manager and he promissed to give me answers next week...
 
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i've had a backup account at bmo for a number of years. They offer all the things that gibor is asking for: they reimburse transfer fees for reasonably-sized accounts; they have $9.95 commish; they might have free BMO etfs (parties would have to check this out); they have a good website that works well, with a nice selection of research tools; excellent trade execution through bmo nesbitt burns.

moving up, on the extra plus side BMO offers: USD rrsp; instant easy 100% online CAD/USD gambitting in all accounts including cash, margin & rrsp; exceptionally pleasant & helpful personnel who have been trained to deliver good service; & a recent promotion that was offering $250 to new clients bringing in new accounts worth more than a certain threshhold (threshhold might have been around $100k but please confirm this with bmo.)
 
i've had a backup account at bmo for a number of years. They offer all the things that gibor is asking for: )
This is exactly what i want to ask BMO,
1. Who is eligible for $250
2. If they will cover $135 transfer fee from TD
3. Free BMO ETFs trades (HP thanks for raising this question as I just didn't think about it)
4. Id administration fees are waived for certain threshold.
5. If I can just bring US$ cash (bills) and invest into RRSP as a new contribution in order to use this cash to buy US stocks
6. If I can buy saving account funds (1.25%) like ATL5000 or TDB8150. Does BMO has equvalent fund?
7. If I buy (or sell) same stock multiple time in one day, do I pay 1 fee $9.95 for all trades (like in CM) or 1 fee for every trade.
8. Can I buy third-party GIC online? (I can in CM, but cannot in TDW).
9. ???
Need to think about more questions and will send to BMO....

What othere BMO disadvantages except unability to DRIP US stocks?

What
 
FYI.... just contacted CIBC Investor Edge dictrict sales manager who said that " USD in registered accounts is an important project that is being worked on. It should be implemented within 12 – 24 months. In the meantime your USD trades with your registered accounts can be netted at the end of the trading day by calling Investor’s Edge."
 
FYI.... just contacted CIBC Investor Edge dictrict sales manager who said that " USD in registered accounts is an important project that is being worked on. It should be implemented within 12 – 24 months. In the meantime your USD trades with your registered accounts can be netted at the end of the trading day by calling Investor’s Edge."
I've been doing this for a while now. They'll let you wash (or net) the proceeds or cost of USD trades into a USD Money Market Fund. And if you buy some shares and sell some shares the same day, you can have then net out a better rate. But in both cases, you do have to call it in to the desk.

And like I've said in the past, why not just offer better FX rates on USD Dividends and conversions. Win win. Customers will be happier with the better fx rates, and no development time to implement a USD RRSP account.
 
gibor here are answers I know to some of your questions:

1) You must maintain a minimum of $100k net new assets with Investorline for 6 months prior to receiving the $250.

2) They say they offer transfer charge reimbursement - but I can't speak on this from first-hand experience.

3) Trading commissions are still charged on BMO ETFs. The only types of holdings I'm aware of that don't have trading commissions are mutual funds and GICs.

4) The $9.95 commissions are offered once one has over $50,000 in assets with BMO Investorline. I'm not aware if administration fees are also waived at that threshold.

5) When you open an Investorline account you get a "branch" account and an "investment" account. They are linked (i.e., deposit cash in branch and you'll see the cash on the investment side the next business day), but branch employees couldn't see what investments are in the account - just the cash. In short - yes you can deposit bills at a BMO branch to a non-reg account, then transfer it to your RRSP online.

6) I don't know the answer to this.

7) I believe it's $9.95 per trade - but it would be great if someone could tell me I'm wrong

8) I don't know the answer to this.

Also, they only DRIP certain Canadian securities (listed here: http://www.bmoinvestorline.com/home/popups/eligible-securities) and from my understanding, they do not currently DRIP US securities. I'm not sure if there is anything in the works for US DRIP - I haven't asked as I'm still accumulating my Canadian portfolio.
 
I've been doing this for a while now. They'll let you wash (or net) the proceeds or cost of USD trades into a USD Money Market Fund. And if you buy some shares and sell some shares the same day, you can have then net out a better rate. But in both cases, you do have to call it in to the desk.

And like I've said in the past, why not just offer better FX rates on USD Dividends and conversions. Win win. Customers will be happier with the better fx rates, and no development time to implement a USD RRSP account.
Yes , I did it couple of times. but the problem that I needed to call several times, as trader couldn't do it right away and should've call to other department that always busy, do should've call him again in hour or so and so on... so every time it took me 2-3 hours to accomplish.... Another problem that majority of IE traders had no idea what to do when I asked them... transfer me to other senior trader .... I'm still work full time and it's not easy for me to spend so much time with my trading activities during work day :)
But even with automatic US$ wash, you have to pay FX on buying/selling US MM.
I have US$ cash and I just cannot contribute it into my RRSP/LIRA without paying ridiculous FX rate in both TDW and IE.... so may be I need to transfer one of them to BMO.....hate it, as it too much hassle...., but also don't want to pay those ridiculous fees.

This district manager offered me to meet in the branch in beginning of Dec to discuss those issues.... but in the afternoon when I'm actually at work :(
 
gibor here are answers I know to some of your questions:


5) When you open an Investorline account you get a "branch" account and an "investment" account. They are linked (i.e., deposit cash in branch and you'll see the cash on the investment side the next business day), but branch employees couldn't see what investments are in the account - just the cash. In short - yes you can deposit bills at a BMO branch to a non-reg account, then transfer it to your RRSP online.

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Thanks for your answers..... do you know if there is any fees for branch account ? do I need to maintain specific threshold?
 
Yes , I did it couple of times. but the problem that I needed to call several times, as trader couldn't do it right away and should've call to other department that always busy, do should've call him again in hour or so and so on... so every time it took me 2-3 hours to accomplish.... Another problem that majority of IE traders had no idea what to do when I asked them... transfer me to other senior trader .... I'm still work full time and it's not easy for me to spend so much time with my trading activities during work day :)
I've never had this happen to me. I only do it a few times a year, but I've always been able to get to a trader on the first call. I'm surprised to see you've had this experience.

But even with automatic US$ wash, you have to pay FX on buying/selling US MM.
I have US$ cash and I just cannot contribute it into my RRSP/LIRA without paying ridiculous FX rate in both TDW and IE.... so may be I need to transfer one of them to BMO.....hate it, as it too much hassle...., but also don't want to pay those ridiculous fees.
I just bought DLU. Then I called them to do the journal / sell / buy the Money Market MF. So I've got a USD (CIBC US$ MONEY MARKET FUND (483)) fund sitting in my account waiting for me to wash sells into it, and wash buys out of it. But again, still requires a call in. Automatic washing would be nice.

As for USD dividends, no dice on that one. They told me the Netting and Washing into the MF is a manual process. Trying to get my USD dividends into my USD MF would require a trader to be watching my account all the time for and dividends. Not going to happen. :distress: Just give us better FX rates dammit. Problem solved.
 
I've never had this happen to me. I only do it a few times a year, but I've always been able to get to a trader on the first call. I'm surprised to see you've had this experience.
I also doing it just a few times per year, in mojority of the cases I buy/sell amounts in 3-4K range, so just didn't want to bother... now when our company blocked all financial sides, not sure if I able to do it at all... When you call trader, how you call this operation...when I was asking to "wash US$" (this how I tell to TDW trader and they understand it) CIBC traders couldn't understand what I want to do...

I just bought DLU. Then I called them to do the journal / sell / buy the Money Market MF. So I've got a USD (CIBC US$ MONEY MARKET FUND (483)) fund sitting in my account waiting for me to wash sells into it, and wash buys out of it. But again, still requires a call in. Automatic washing would be nice.

As for USD dividends, no dice on that one. They told me the Netting and Washing into the MF is a manual process. Trying to get my USD dividends into my USD MF would require a trader to be watching my account all the time for and dividends. Not going to happen. :distress: Just give us better FX rates dammit. Problem solved.
Did you do it on CASH or registered account? Any difference?
Last time I sold AAPL and called them to freeze FX rate and move all proceeds to US MM fund.... So, it took me like 20 min to get trader, than 20 min to explain what I want, they about half ah hour I was waiting on the line when trader was calling some other department (forgot this department name), than trader told me that he cannot reach this department and I he will do everything and I can call in 1-2 hours to make sure.... when I called back, there was obviuosly another trader who I statred to explain what should be done on my account and so on... at the end they did waht I asked for, but they was off by couple of $ from my calculation what I should get on US MM... and I just didn't bother to call back for clarification , as I really got tired from all those called...
When I bought another US$ stock, I had another problem...my order was rejected (and not online , but after 15-20min) for NSF, as I had enough money in US MM, but didn't have enough in Canadian cash. When I called them and ask to sumbit order manually, they said that cannot do it any more and than I should first place sell on ATL5000 (that also took 15 min to acknowledge)! WHen I ask trader, who I can cancel ATL5000 sel if my stock order won't get executed, he told that I need to call 3.45pm latest to ask canceling ATL5000 sell (and I actually did it once or twice).
Finally, when my order was executed , I need to call again and ask to tkae $ from US MM for this buy.... Also was tracking this all way, as wasn't sure that they will do what I asked for....
SO, all this process too robust, too annoying and too time consuming... :(

Actually, what pissing me off even more, even for Canadian stock purchase I need to make sure that I have enough Cash or placed redemption on ATL5000 or Can MM and wait sometimes half an hour when this order will be acknowleged!
In TDW everything is much simplier, as their software recognizes that I hold Can MM or TDB8150 and always will allow me to place trade and in case of NSF it will give me error right away and not after 15-20 minutes
 
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