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Not a fan of his, but the party supports climate initiatives and pro-choice. Cons will be hard pressed to make inroads with young people (climate) and women (abortion). Whatever the Cons say, they have a ways to go in making people believe they are in favour of these policies.
The issue is that Conservatives are more concerned about the environment than climate change.

Also Conservatives aren't pushing abortion restrictions.
I'm personally pro-abortion, but I think we have to fix things.
1. Informed consent
2. Do something about gender selective abortion.
3. Also updating guidelines on partial birth abortions would be nice. I won't even get into the "post birth abortion" disaster.
If the baby is half out, and able to live on it's own, killing it is murder.
 

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The issue is that Conservatives are more concerned about the environment than climate change.

Also Conservatives aren't pushing abortion restrictions.
I'm personally pro-abortion, but I think we have to fix things.
1. Informed consent
2. Do something about gender selective abortion.
3. Also updating guidelines on partial birth abortions would be nice. I won't even get into the "post birth abortion" disaster.
If the baby is half out, and able to live on it's own, killing it is murder.
I’m university educated and admittedly don’t care much for climate change and environmental issues.....but they are the same thing in my head. Not that I don’t think the issues aren’t important, just that I don’t have any interest in learning more at this stage. i think I do my part where I can, but I also don’t think that individual choices will have a real impact yet. So there’s a failure on my part and politicians part if they want to make a differentiation. You can imagine what the those with less education (or ESL) know about the issue.

ps. I have family with degrees in the environment and criticize every time I buy (rarely) some bottle water for a picnic or day at the beach. They lost all credibility when they chose to go on vacation during the pandemic. I guess they forgot that humans are part of the environment too.
 

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I’m university educated and admittedly don’t care much for climate change and environmental issues.....but they are the same thing in my head.
Actually that's the problem.
For many people they've somehow confused "climate change" for "the environment.

And really climate change isn't even about climate change.
it's an excuse for a massive wealth redistribution scheme.
 

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The problem is the conservative movement (in the US anyway) courted these crazies & lunatics for quite a while. They (the Republicans) turned what was once a fringe movement, into a powerful force... people who believe conspiracy theories, who absolutely hate government, and want a civil war or violent uprising.

This is what American conservatives chose to create. This didn't happen accidentally; it was engineered to become this. Now, the monsters they created (MAGA people) are out of control.

So yes, I do blame American conservatives quite a bit for all this. For the last 40 years, they've been feeding this MAGA movement.
The Democrats aren't any different. Cortez, Omar , Sanders, Warren and every leftwing / marxist group you can name.
 

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The Democrats aren't any different. Cortez, Omar , Sanders, Warren and every leftwing / marxist group you can name.
Naw, the democrats are even more hipocritcal.
I love when they asked Sanders if he'd donate his millions in book profits but "I earned it".
 

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I am very familiar with SK/AB . The hostility, resentment and alienation is both wide and deep. You have to talk to literally thousands of people before you will find on person with any respect for Trudeau. People here see themselves as a colonial territory with no real say or control over their future. The current equalization program only confirms that view. A 20 billion dollar a year screw job for these two provinces.
No wonder that about half of their population wants to separate
 

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From expert on the issue, Yuri Izrael who was a vice-chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and first vice-president of the World Meteorological Organization
"climate change is obvious, but science has not yet been able to identify the causes of it, there is no proven link between human activity and global warming. I think the panic over global warming is totally unjustified. There is no serious threat to the climate, There is no need to dramatize the anthropogenic impact, because the climate has always been subject to change under Nature's influence, even when humanity did not even exist.
 

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No wonder that about half of their population wants to separate
Although I detest politics & politicians I will be nosing around & most likely seeing if I can be any use this summer to which ever Wexit organization gains some traction. It is obvious Alberta has nothing in common with most of Canada and wouldn't be much of a loss .
 

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Although I detest politics & politicians I will be nosing around & most likely seeing if I can be any use this summer to which ever Wexit organization gains some traction. It is obvious Alberta has nothing in common with most of Canada and wouldn't be much of a loss .
Quebec "has nothing in common with most of Canada" even more....:), actually most of provinces has a little in common :).
Personally, I don't care if I live in country called Ontario or called Canada ... I care more about Cuba (where I've been 30 times) than about some PEI, NL or NTW (where I've never been and not planning to go to)..
P.S. Actually if AB separate, we may move there!
 

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Although I detest politics & politicians I will be nosing around & most likely seeing if I can be any use this summer to which ever Wexit organization gains some traction. It is obvious Alberta has nothing in common with most of Canada and wouldn't be much of a loss .
It would be a big loss for Quebec. Take 13 billion out of their budget every year. Alberta and SK has the fourth largest world supply of oil and gas, SK has the largest deposit of potash and Uranium , SK has a 100,000 fresh water lakes and both provinces have a large supply of productive farm land. The tourism industry cannot be overlooked. Both provinces would be seen as excellent new states for uncle Sam and as colonies of the eastern etilists they would probably prefer the average American over the people that populate Toronto and Montreal. They would be taking on a fair bit of debt but much smaller proportionally than the amount that the east and central area would be left with. Forget about eastern factories selling autos and pickup trucks to these two provinces. At the very least they would have real free trade with the USA and that would become their supplier along with the Asia Pacific region. The lefties in the BC lower mainland could stew in their own soup. The rest of BC would want to join the independence movement.
 

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If the government lies it is just called politics. If we lie to the government it is called a criminal offense. The Government & media continue with their Conjob while they censor the truth.
 

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Quebec "has nothing in common with most of Canada" even more....:), actually most of provinces has a little in common :).
Personally, I don't care if I live in country called Ontario or called Canada ... I care more about Cuba (where I've been 30 times) than about some PEI, NL or NTW (where I've never been and not planning to go to)..
P.S. Actually if AB separate, we may move there!
I think Canada has distinct regions with distinct views etc.
Ontario and Toronto/GTA are very different

I knew a guy from out east, and actually listened to him talk about EI, and how their seasonal industries use it.
It would make an Ontario factory worker furious. You can read up on it, but to summarize, his arguement was that the purpose of EI was to fund his annual layoff.
In Ontario the feeling is EI is for when you unexpectedly lose your job.

There are actually different cultures and ideas across the country
 

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There are different "realities" across the country.

I doubt many people from the Atlantic Provinces prefer EI over a year round steady job if they were available.

Some occupations are seasonal work by their nature. Tourism and fishing as examples.

Apparently you think people who do those jobs are lazy and work those jobs so they can collect EI.

That is what the Harper government said.........and the reason they never won a seat in Atlantic Canada.

If you call people lazy freeloaders........don't expect them to vote for you.
 

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There are different "realities" across the country.

I doubt many people from the Atlantic Provinces prefer EI over a year round steady job if they were available.

Some occupations are seasonal work by their nature. Tourism and fishing as examples.

Apparently you think people who do those jobs are lazy and work those jobs so they can collect EI.

That is what the Harper government said.........and the reason they never won a seat in Atlantic Canada.

If you call people lazy freeloaders........don't expect them to vote for you.
No I didnt say they were lazy. Again, assigning a position that I don't hold. I wonder if you're actually able to discuss an issue without misrepresenting my position.

I was pointing out a cultural difference.
 

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... the bolded part/statement is funny.
Not sure why that's funny.
I think high density urban living is bad for people, they also tend to lean left/authoritarian, which contradicts my liberal values.

Being aware of your preferences and opinions isn't a bad thing. Definately better than the looneys who think "I'm unbiased"
 

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Not sure why that's funny.
I think high density urban living is bad for people, they also tend to lean left/authoritarian, which contradicts my liberal values.
.. now that's even funnier with the contradiction Since when were the "lefties=authoritarians" from your "urban version" less liberal than you?

Being aware of your preferences and opinions isn't a bad thing. Definately better than the looneys who think "I'm unbiased"
... don't disagree with the first statement but definitely more contradictions with the second.
 

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.. now that's even funnier with the contradiction Since when were the "lefties=authoritarians" from the "your urban version" less liberal than you?

... don't disagree with the first statement but definitely more contradictions with the second.
The modern left is authoritarian socialist wannabes, they're not even close to liberals.
Do you actually know the definition of liberalism?
 

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The modern left is authoritarian socialist wannabes, they're not even close to liberals.
Do you actually know the definition of liberalism?
... no, by your definition.
 

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... no, by your definition.
I suggest you get a dictionary.

Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty.
 
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