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I stand corrected.
Did quick google search and didn't find that out and only PM dinged by ethics violations was Justin Trudeau.

And I agree with you - that's precisely the problem. People nowadays believe breaking constitution, law, and ethics is fine as long as I agree with people that break it.

We had such period of time before in history - it doesn't end well.
That's why people who interfere in legal system, and corrupt PMs, public safety minister that invokes Emergency Act on false premises and by lying to people need to be prosecuted to full extent of the law
There are very limited to no penalties or ways to hold the PM accountable in our system.
Remember, Trudeau "took full responsibility" for his behaviour, which consisted of him saying those words and little else.

The thing is, Trudeau is only the PM, because elected representatives support him.
 

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That doesn't matter.
No person is above the law - that is absolutely insane that head of government department can literally give himself permission to legally accept bribes?? What is wrong with this country?

The institutions in Canada are non-existent. There are no systemic protections for democracy.
As shown by the current government, it takes one scumbag to destroy democratic system in the nation.
This needs to be corrected
 

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That doesn't matter.
No person is above the law - that is absolutely insane that head of government department can literally give himself permission to legally accept bribes??
No, he can't legally accept bribes, but he's the one who decides the punishment.
In this case he "took full responsibility".

What is wrong with this country?
Lots, but we're working on it.
Remember, Harper really improved the ethics systems.

The institutions in Canada are non-existent. There are no systemic protections for democracy.
Our system is based on the concept of Parliamentary supremacy.
That's why it is incumbent on the MPs to hold the government accountable.

As shown by the current government, it takes one scumbag to destroy democratic system in the nation.
This needs to be corrected
The problem is the people who are supposed to hold him accountable aren't doing their job.
Do you really
What systematic change would fix this?
They all rely on people holding the PM etc accountable, if they refuse to do so, we have this problem.
 

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And so it begins........the word "insurrection" sound familiar ?

The Republican Caucus of the State Senate later called the protest an attempted "insurrection."

"We are currently there being held hostage inside the Senate building due to members of the public trying to breach our security," Townsend tweeted Friday night. "We smell tear gas and the children of one of the members are in the office sobbing with fear."


 

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It doesn't matter what I think, or what you think, or what anyone thinks.

It is a woman's right to choose...... and their right alone.
So?
Weather is nice today in Italy.
Now we are both talking completely off-topic.

The problem is that you completely misunderstand what supreme court is about and what has happened - but then again, a lot of people do.

The question in front of the court was never whether women should have a right to choose or not? That is completely irrelevant when it comes to Supreme Court.
The question in front of the court was this:
- does constitution of United States protect abortion?

And the answer is no.

Does it mean women shouldn't have right to choose? - No!
That has nothing to do with it.

It simply means that it is up to lawmakers to make laws that regulate abortion..

Democrats have majority in congress, senate, and they have a president. There is literally nothing stopping them from making abortion legal federally. Whether they choose same limit as Mississippi (15 weeks), same limit as majority of Europe (12 weeks), same limit as Roe (23-25 weeks) or if they choose you can kill your child a day before natural birth.

They have a power to do whatever they wish because abortion is not constitutionally protected or prohibited.

The problem? Democrats don't care about abortion rights or women. They could literally solve the problem in 2 weeks if they wanted to. But they don't want to. Why? Because of upcoming midterms. Now for next 3 months they will have circus in the media at the cost of women, instead of actually solving the problem.
 

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You should refrain from posting about the US political system until you actually know what it is.

I went to high school in the US and studied American Government and American History for a couple of years and retain some knowledge about it.

Advocating for the adherence only to the text of the original Constitution is an absurd position.

It would eliminate a host of rights and liberties granted under the 33 Amendments to the Constitution.

SCOTUS judge Clarence Thomas's marriage to a white woman is deemed legal under the same Amendment as abortion rights for women.

Judge Thomas has openly expressed his belief the Supreme Court should reverse more decided law such as gay rights.

This judgement by the SCOTUS is a clear breach in the Constitutional separation of church and state.

With one win ........they won't stop there.
 

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There are no abortion rights in constitution - however, nothing is stopping federal lawmakers to create a law that protects abortion rights.
Legislators get to legislate - judicial system wasn't created to make laws, and they should have never done so in the first place.
Just read 1992 supreme court ruling on the issue - already at that point they agreed there is no legal basis for it, but they didn't want political turmoil - that's the point when judicial system began legislating, which is not what it is supposed to do.

Let democratically elected lawmakers - make laws. Don't know why this is so controversial
 

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I am old enough to remember the 1967 riots.........the summer of riots in over 100 US cities.

The riot in Detroit left 43 people dead, injured hundreds, and 1400 buildings were burnt to the ground.

I was in high school in Michigan at the time and remember that the campus was very fearful of what was going to happen.

When I came home on a bus for a visit.........the bus was stopped at a highway checkpoint and the state police came aboard and checked for weapons.

It was a very bad year in US history.
 

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There are no abortion rights in constitution - however, nothing is stopping federal lawmakers to create a law that protects abortion rights.
Legislators get to legislate - judicial system wasn't created to make laws, and they should have never done so in the first place.
Just read 1992 supreme court ruling on the issue - already at that point they agreed there is no legal basis for it, but they didn't want political turmoil - that's the point when judicial system began legislating, which is not what it is supposed to do.

Let democratically elected lawmakers - make laws. Don't know why this is so controversial
The Democrats have a 51 Senate majority but require 60 votes to pass the legislation.

This abortion ruling is only the first step in their long term goal. SCOTUS judge Clarence Thomas has already said and written that.
 

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It is time for Supreme Court to stop legislating.
Let legislators legislate.

There is a compromise to be found that will get to 60 votes. Look at Mississippi. They want abortion legal up to 15 weeks. That's more liberal law than vast majority of Europe - and that's 2 republican senators.

If federal legislation to make abortion legal up to 12-15 weeks doesn't pass the senate - then I will reconsider.
I can bet though that it isn't even going to be introduced before midterms. For Democrats politics > women. And they were about to be slaughtered in midterms so now they will try to make this last as long as possible and not solve the issue
 

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The Republicans want to make abortions illegal........full stop. That is the only option right wing fundamentalist religious dogma allows.

The state legislatures already have laws in place called "trigger laws" that are now immediately put in effect.

Some are reasonable, while others are purely draconian. They will make criminal offenses for any woman who goes to another state for an abortion.

They will make it a criminal offense for a doctor to advise a woman she should have an abortion. It will make it a criminal offense for a Uber driver to drive her across state lines to get an abortion. It will make it a criminal offense for anyone to aid a woman seeking an abortion anywhere.......even in Canada.

It will take years of court cases to determine if the laws are Constitutionally correct, but while they wait the state laws are in effect.

The DOJ is getting involved and that will involve a raft of court cases. Political battles at the local level will be very heated.

This is going to be one huge mess and I fully expect this summer could be the worst on record for civil insurrection and unrest.

Interesting that states that do NOT have trigger laws in place, are the entire west coast of the US.....Washington and California as well as New York.

Depending on what happens, some of these states could seek to secede from the US and form another country or join Canada.

History is being made before our eyes.
 

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No, he can't legally accept bribes, but he's the one who decides the punishment.
In this case he "took full responsibility".



Lots, but we're working on it.
Remember, Harper really improved the ethics systems.


Our system is based on the concept of Parliamentary supremacy.
That's why it is incumbent on the MPs to hold the government accountable.


The problem is the people who are supposed to hold him accountable aren't doing their job.
Do you really
What systematic change would fix this?
They all rely on people holding the PM etc accountable, if they refuse to do so, we have this problem.
He can legally allow himself to accept bribes:

A provision of the Criminal Code says government officials can’t accept gifts from someone who has dealings with the government unless they’re given written consent by the head of their branch of government, which in this case would be the prime minister.

Internal RCMP documents show the force considered opening a fraud investigation after details of the trip came to light, but cite numerous reasons why it did not, including the fact that neither Parliament nor the ethics commissioner chose to refer the case to police.

If Trudeau did grant himself written consent, there would be no case for fraud by the government, the RCMP concluded, but the documents state that they did not know whether that happened.

Criminal Code 121 (1) C

- if you are an important government official - corruption is legal for you


Some laws in Canada belong only to banana republics. Simply they were never questioned because until now we didn't have an unethical, corrupt scumbag for a PM
 

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You didn't read till the end of this thread so I will copy and paste:

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It is time for Supreme Court to stop legislating.
Let legislators legislate.

There is a compromise to be found that will get to 60 votes. Look at Mississippi. They want abortion legal up to 15 weeks. That's more liberal law than vast majority of Europe - and that's 2 republican senators.

If federal legislation to make abortion legal up to 12-15 weeks doesn't pass the senate - then I will reconsider.
I can bet though that it isn't even going to be introduced before midterms. For Democrats politics > women. And they were about to be slaughtered in midterms so now they will try to make this last as long as possible and not solve the issue
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They managed to get 60 votes for common sense gun restrictions, there is no reason they can't find 60 votes for common sense abortion laws - there simply needs to be a will, and democrats would rather take political advantage of the situation than give the right to choose back to women.
Again, I will reconsider once I see common sense abortion law on senate floor within next couple of weeks
 

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There is literally nothing stopping them from making abortion legal federally.
You need 60 votes in the Senate to pass bills due to the filibuster.
I think the correct statement is that there is nothing stopping the legislature from making abortion legal.
Except that they don't have sufficient support to make such a law.

The problem with a democracy is that you need people to support it.

The issue with abortion is that the legislatures don't actually want it legal, and many want it illegal. Which is EXACTLY how the system is intended to work and how it is working.
In places where the people want it legal, it is, and in places where they don't, it isn't.
 

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The problem is 2 Senators representing 500,000 people in Wyoming and 2 Senators representing 40,000,000 people in California.

The US is one of the worst examples of a political system, and is based on a Constitution written for a society that existed 250 years ago.
 

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The problem is that the US is a proto theocracy. Texas GOP has adopted a platform that homosexual people are abnormal and should not be protected from discrimination. Not sure we should be comfortable with our southern neighbour emulating Saudi.

Democracy isn't just majoritarianism. There needs to be protection of the rights of individuals and minorities.
 

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The problem is that the US is a proto theocracy. Texas GOP has adopted a platform that homosexual people are abnormal and should not be protected from discrimination. Not sure we should be comfortable with our southern neighbour emulating Saudi.

Democracy isn't just majoritarianism. There needs to be protection of the rights of individuals and minorities.
What is the exact law you are referring to? Are gays treated the same by law or differently?

FYI, Trudeau prefers to buy oil from gay hating Saudi Arabia over oil from Canada.
 
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