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... another irony. As if all Conservatives MPs really agree with boss O'Toole.
It's interesting that it bothers you when people can universally agree on an issue.

As much as I think Trudeau is incompetent, corrupt, and an egomaniac not fit for office I would still agree with him if he put forward a proposal that made sense.
 

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They avoided an embarrassing vote and kicked it on to the Senate. We shall see what happens there.
The Conservatives came up with such a good bill that even the Liberals had to vote for it unanimously.

Why is that embarrassing? Is it the job of the Liberals to disagree with the Conservatives regardless of the merit of the bill or is it their job to pass good legislation?
 

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Let the proponents of private healthcare build their own hospitals and operate them without public funds.

It won't have to be very big because few people could afford to pay the true cost.
Why should they pay the full cost? They pay taxes too. Private healthcare can charge over and above what public health care pays. So your choices are:
1. Public healthcare paid with tax dollars.
2. Private healthcare where additional services and expenses above that of public healthcare are paid by the customer.
 

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So you imagine a system where people with money can pay their way to the head of the waiting list ?
I don't have to imagine it, that's exactly how the world works.

The prospect of two-tier healthcare is why most Canadians don't support privatization.
It doesn't have to be 100% public or private, a combination can work quite well.
 

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The poll shows Canadians want to spend more public dollars on expanded healthcare services within the publicly paid system.
If the question is worded that way of course a majority will be in favour of expanded healthcare.

All you have to do is convince the government to raise the necessary revenue to pay for it.
"raise the necessary revenue" means increase taxes. Call it like it is.
 

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Public dollars spent on expanded private healthcare for "core services" would be diverted from public healthcare.
But the patient that pays for the private upgrade doesn't take up space in a public clinic or hospital. It's a wash.

That would leave less funding for the public healthcare system and create even longer wait lists.
No, those who want private health care options pay for services over and above what is publicly funded. Less people using public healthcare frees up space for others.,

If you want private healthcare, you can book it and pay for it.
No one argues that those who want private health care should pay over and above what public health care already covers.
 

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Do France, Germany, Belgium, Italy, Sweden, .....even have the need for helicopter transportation to hospitals ?
Yes, all of those countries have air ambulances.

Do their ambulances travel 100 kms to respond to a 911 call and then 100 kms back to the hospital ?

I doubt it.
Why don't you look it up if you're trying to make a point?
 

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The main reason we never retired up north on a lake was access to healthcare.

We have friends who built a massive home, garages and working sheds on a lake north of Parry Sound Ontario.

Now they are older.....they are facing trips to Toronto for appointments with specialists and hospital treatment.

My buddy has heart issues and if he suffers a heart attack or stroke.......good luck to him.

I was talking to a guy selling his cottage and considered buying it. Then he said.....people are literally dying to get out of here...and laughed.

He pretty much talked us out of buying his property with that comment, because it made us start thinking about that prospect.
This isn't anything new. Everyone who ages has to decide how far they want to be from a good hospital, whether they are in a cottage or in a rural area.

We bought a cabin less than a year ago that's almost half an hour from a good hospital. I'm 59 and she's 55. We hope to own it for 10 - 12 years which is probably when we'll decide that the distance from healthcare and our desire to perform maintenance exceeds the benefits.
 

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CPP benefits are going up 2.4% on January 27, 2020 due to the annual cost of living increase.

Survivor benefits will also be increased when legislation passes.

It is a wonderful thing to behold. Thanks for creating the CPP fund for everyone boomers !
Except that the real COL increase is at least 10% or higher.

You just got a 7.5% pay decrease.
 

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^ This seems a bit heavy-handed.
We can't talk about a peaceful protest because Dear Leader is hiding in his basement scared to face the public.

This peaceful protest angers the mods so much that if anyone dare mentions it they are banned, but it's not surprising considering that most of their posts are far left.

This site is run by left wing trolls. Don't worry mods, there is no need to ban me. This is just another site taken over by left wing trolls. I won't be back, I'm outta here.
 

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Haha reading all you radicals is such a treat.
Whatever you think, the decision by Trudeau is working. Harper would still be shivering in his closet.
Harper was ordered into a closet by security during an active threat. Trudeau ran and hid from a peaceful protest. If you think both situations were the same, it's not hard to guess who you voted for.
 
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