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On the early tv news I flipped on as I was waking up I heard there were now charges against a handful of militia leaders of sedition.

So that is going to turn up the the on this issue even more, but I suspect the charges are reasonable.

This was not a spur of the moment protest. where all were going to stand around and sing 'kum-by-ya my lord' and lock arm to arm with their brother.
 

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Everything in the US is politicized too much. There were 274 leftist riots across the US after George Floyd. Dozens died about 2000 police were injured and there was billions done in property damage. In Seattle and some Democrat cities the protesters took over entire downtown city blocks for weeks on end while Democrat state governors and mayors sat idly by and did nothing. Kamala Harris was bailing some of them out and encouraging them to keep up the protests.

Sleepy Joe and the liberal leftist clown show don't care about any of this and are fixated on this one protest only because it involved some right wing protesters.

The march on the Capitol buildings wasn't right either but there were no investigations or senate committees and little interest into the 274 left wing riots as Democrats don't want to go after the defund the police left wing part of their voter base. No wonder Democrat Sleepy Joe 's support has fallen to only 33%.
 

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Only the Trump inspired riot was focused on violently overturning an election and democracy.
 

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Everything in the US is politicized too much. There were 274 leftist riots across the US after George Floyd. Dozens died about 2000 police were injured and there was billions done in property damage. In Seattle and some Democrat cities the protesters took over entire downtown city blocks for weeks on end while Democrat state governors and mayors sat idly by and did nothing. Kamala Harris was bailing some of them out and encouraging them to keep up the protests.

Sleepy Joe and the liberal leftist clown show don't care about any of this and are fixated on this one protest only because it involved some right wing protesters.

The march on the Capitol buildings wasn't right either but there were no investigations or senate committees and little interest into the 274 left wing riots as Democrats don't want to go after the defund the police left wing part of their voter base. No wonder Democrat Sleepy Joe 's support has fallen to only 33%.
I completely agree with what you wrote and that it's not one sided. The riots you mentioned were awful and you're right that it seemed like no one wanted to stop them. I do think however that if orange man wasn't the leader of the free world at the time, things would have been a lot different.
 

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Only the Trump inspired riot was focused on violently overturning an election and democracy.
Nope Democrats delegitimized the Trump presidency as a candidate and in office. Pushed their fake Russia conspiracy for 3 yrs Hilary still wont accept the results.

No one wanted to overturned anything either. It was a protest of how the election was held. The rest is Democrat poltical opportunism and we'll leave it there as I am not going wade into this.
 

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I completely agree with what you wrote and that it's not one sided. The riots you mentioned were awful and you're right that it seemed like no one wanted to stop them. I do think however that if orange man wasn't the leader of the free world at the time, things would have been a lot different.
The Democrat and their media establishment are as much to blame. They delegitimized his candidacy, election win and presidency for 6 years w their hoaxes. Same for the weaponized justice system. He was outspoken but between the FBI leaking and the press parsing and distorting every word they were as much to blame for all the hatred on both sides IMO. Everything there is way too politicized. They can't even police their cities properly because that is political w groups always crying racism , defund the police and much worse.

Same for immigration. Their southern borders are a mess now. Not letting illegals flood in is also a poltical , race and xenophobic issue vs just being a national security issue.
 

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If the Right Wing had their way, there'd be a state-run party-controlled highly censored media. In Ontario, that's OntarioNews Now set up by Doug Ford.
 

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Ontario news was too inform people of govt programs.

You should be more worried about Trudeau increasing teh $1.3 B in funding to the state broadcasting CBC and the other $600M he dumped to bribe or 'bailout' local media outlets. The left were the ones who always wanted state control over media.
 

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Throughout history, conservatives have aided, abetted, and ushered in dictatorships and authoritarian governments.

From Hitler to Trump, conservatives are so keen on defeating liberalism that they convince themselves they can manage and manipulate any populist candidate to enact their own right wing agenda.

Hitler, Trump, Mussolini, and others proved the conservatives wrong. In Canada, some conservatives now look to Max Bernier as their useful idiot.
 

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In the past, being found guility of sedition and betrayal of a country meant execution as the punishment.

Today, the guilty looking at punishment of 20 years in prison are getting a comparitively light sentence by historical standards.

It is an ironic twist of fate that modern day traitors enjoy the lighter sentences previously enacted by liberal minded governments.
 

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Throughout history, conservatives have aided, abetted, and ushered in dictatorships and authoritarian governments.

From Hitler to Trump, conservatives are so keen on defeating liberalism that they convince themselves they can manage and manipulate any populist candidate to enact their own right wing agenda.

Hitler, Trump, Mussolini, and others proved the conservatives wrong. In Canada, some conservatives now look to Max Bernier as their useful idiot.
Nice propaganda, I hope you actually don't believe any of that. No they haven't. Right wing is actually free enterprise and less govt control more 'liberalism' as you put it. Your talking pts are all backward. There are more left wing authoritarian socialist govts in reality Russia , China , N Korea , Vietnam , Cambodia, Cuba, Venezuela etc etc

Hitler was a left wing socialist economically same for Mussolini. He oversaw state control of production to build up Germany. Stalin, Mao , Castro etc were the ones who controlled and manipulated. They usually just executed, exiled or imprisoned any opposing views instead. How anyone could support any of their twisted left wing ideology in this day and age is beyond me.

Useful idiot was even a Lenin communist expression for the manipulated populace lol. Either way we'll leave it there.
 

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If the Right Wing had their way, there'd be a state-run party-controlled highly censored media. In Ontario, that's OntarioNews Now set up by Doug Ford.
Uhh you have an interesting political compass.
The NDP & Liberals actually support the state run party controlled media, and they're trying to buy off the rest of the media.
They are also working with social media for censorship.

Most people consider the CPC and PC "right wing", and the CPC is typically for cutting CBC funding. PC is just provincial so it's kind of out of their jurisdiction.
 

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Only the Trump inspired riot was focused on violently overturning an election and democracy.
And trying to hunt down and kill top elected government officials.

Today, the guilty looking at punishment of 20 years in prison are getting a comparitively light sentence by historical standards.
It's because they have many sympathizers. In a recent poll, something like 1/3 of Republicans endorse political violence. The Republican party themselves are full of extremists. When the American right wing is such a violent extremist movement overall, it's very hard to bring justice to them.
 

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A basket of deplorables.....said Hillary Clinton, who apparently is musing a comeback in 2024.
 

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Well, that's not quite reflecting the reality.
Here are the facts:

So where do things stand a year later? “I think the broader threat is greater than it was last year,” Kalmoe told me in an interview this past December. In a survey conducted in June 2021, Kalmoe and Mason found that 24 percent of Republicans and 19 percent of Democrats said that violence against the other party was at least a little okay. Among Republicans who falsely believe that Democrats cheated during the 2020 election, support for violence was 10 percentage points higher. And a Washington Post/University of Maryland poll conducted in mid-December found that 34 percent of Americans said it was at least sometimes justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, up from 23 percent when the question was last asked in 2015.

The 1/3 was in reference to all Americans, not Republicans.
The support for violence against other party is slightly higher among Republicans, but Democrats aren't exactly innocent here, 24 to 19



Fun fact, more people saw Trump's victory in 2016 as illegitimate than Biden's victory
Or is your theory that it was Republican's who saw Trump's election as illegitimate?
 

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The problem in the US isn't protests.

The problem is the arrival at protests of armed people and militia groups.

The "open carry" and "self defence....stand your ground" laws in the US have led to the change from peaceful protests to armed standoffs between opposing sides of an issue.

Imagine if in Canada there is a protest for or against some law or policy, and one group shows up wearing military gear and carrying AR15s.

Imagine a situation in Canada where two young guys walk down the street in front of your house carrying AR15s, people call the police, the police respond and have to ask the guys a bunch of questions to ascertain if they are legal. The guys are legal and allowed to continue on, and they film it all for a Youtube video to earn followers. It creates a dangerous situation for police of having to respond to such calls without knowing the intent of the guys with the guns. It uses up valuable public resources for policing that could be better used stopping or catching criminals.

The strange part for me is Republicans think that situation is just fine.

That is a clear difference between Canada and the US and we need to keep it that way.
 

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The problem in the US isn't protests.

The problem is the arrival at protests of armed people and militia groups.

The "open carry" and "self defence....stand your ground" laws in the US have led to the change from peaceful protests to armed standoffs between opposing sides of an issue.

Imagine if in Canada there is a protest for or against some law or policy, and one group shows up wearing military gear and carrying AR15s.

Imagine a situation in Canada where two young guys walk down the street in front of your house carrying AR15s, people call the police, the police respond and have to ask the guys a bunch of questions to ascertain if they are legal. The guys are legal and allowed to continue on, and they film it all for a Youtube video to earn followers. It creates a dangerous situation for police of having to respond to such calls without knowing the intent of the guys with the guns. It uses up valuable public resources for policing that could be better used stopping or catching criminals.

The strange part for me is Republicans think that situation is just fine.

That is a clear difference between Canada and the US and we need to keep it that way.
Agreed we need to keep it that way. This coming from an avid hunter with a small selection of ( legal ) firearms and currently locked up.
 
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