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I will be surprised if Musk is still CEO of Tesla in a year.
SpaceX is far more important anyways. That's why it's not public

Tesla has to compete with an oil industry that lines the pockets of corrupt boomers

GM should have been left for dead in 2009
 

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I think Musk gets bored and likes to !!#[email protected]@ with things.

As much as twitter is important, it's not really one of the core players, he can afford to piss them off.
This is free publicity for what's coming

Elon is very much aware of developing p2p networks/economies that will challenge the status quo in coming years. Some of them are already working directly with Starlink which could even disrupt telecoms. Most people aren't aware of the problems of centralized ad-revenue tech like twitter. Jack Dorsey left twitter for a reason.

Elon is so far ahead the dumb people think he's dumb
 

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I think that's more likely. If Twitter want to take him to court they're open to discovery. He knew that all along.

It reminds me of when climate fraud Michael Mann sued Mark Steyn and then found out that he was open to discovery for his fraudulent graph. The last thing he wanted was his fake data under scrutiny.
Or when Trudeau threatened to sue Scheer
 

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Jack Dorsey left twitter for a reason.
I actually think Jack is a very interesting and thoughtful guy. I think he's working to a whole different agenda, he's different than the typical tech billionaire.

I also actually think he deeply cares about the problems, but he realizes he doesn't fully grasp them, which is a level of awareness virtually noone in the public space is at.
 

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I actually think Jack is a very interesting and thoughtful guy. I think he's working to a whole different agenda, he's different than the typical tech billionaire.

I also actually think he deeply cares about the problems, but he realizes he doesn't fully grasp them, which is a level of awareness virtually noone in the public space is at.
He renamed Square to Block

Cash app is the #1 finance app in the US. Its description in the app store is p2p banking. His ultimate goal is peace and few people can understand how this is all connected

Starlink is a huge enabler of p2p networks because ISPs are very centralized. Jack and Elon also understand that social media will need a similar shake up
 

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To play devils advocate, I'm not sure Starlink avoids all the problems of centralization. It does not necessarily need loci in every jurisdiction is operates in and thus is not beholden to each government, but the company is still an ISP with centralized control.
 

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To play devils advocate, I'm not sure Starlink avoids all the problems of centralization. It does not necessarily need loci in every jurisdiction is operates in and thus is not beholden to each government, but the company is still an ISP with centralized control.
To play the opposite advocate, why does an ISP need centralized control?
Sure it's a convenient to have a single authority structure for your entire network (like Rogers), but that has proven to be problematic when there is an error (like Rogers).

There are a few limited aspects that we need centralized control for them to work properly, but I think more sophisticated crypto technologies could resolve them.

Note I said crypto technologies, because I think blockchain is too highly correlated with the idea of a single authoritative "chain", which has obvious issues.
I think some of the concepts (like the iota tangle), could be interesting participants here.
 

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To play devils advocate, I'm not sure Starlink avoids all the problems of centralization. It does not necessarily need loci in every jurisdiction is operates in and thus is not beholden to each government, but the company is still an ISP with centralized control.
Sure

It adds a much needed option to something that is controlled by very few ISPs. Then again even in China people can just use a VPN encrypted tunnel so the internet is not so bad. Just like the US was unable to ban alcohol and bikinis and the Mormans are unable to ban pre-marital sex.. you can't stop the will of people

Maybe someday SpaceX will become a DAO

To play the opposite advocate, why does an ISP need centralized control?
Sure it's a convenient to have a single authority structure for your entire network (like Rogers), but that has proven to be problematic when there is an error (like Rogers).

There are a few limited aspects that we need centralized control for them to work properly, but I think more sophisticated crypto technologies could resolve them.

Note I said crypto technologies, because I think blockchain is too highly correlated with the idea of a single authoritative "chain", which has obvious issues.
I think some of the concepts (like the iota tangle), could be interesting participants here.
We just need a way to incentivize an open source mesh network.

Basically you would get rewarded for receiving and transmitting data that others want. High demand areas would have more coverage due to the market rewards. It's like a sharing economy for telecoms. Unless you think Rogers can cover the entirety of Canada with short range 5g transmitters it will probably happen anyways

Just like Apple didn't have to build all the apps they just had to build the app store and STK, some organization of the protocol or chain is required to bootstrap the concept
 

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To play the opposite advocate, why does an ISP need centralized control?
Sure it's a convenient to have a single authority structure for your entire network (like Rogers), but that has proven to be problematic when there is an error (like Rogers).

There are a few limited aspects that we need centralized control for them to work properly, but I think more sophisticated crypto technologies could resolve them.

Note I said crypto technologies, because I think blockchain is too highly correlated with the idea of a single authoritative "chain", which has obvious issues.
I think some of the concepts (like the iota tangle), could be interesting participants here.
Perhaps, but Starlink is centralized, and part of a private company that is controlled by one shareholder.
 

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Basically you would get rewarded for receiving and transmitting data that others want. High demand areas would have more coverage due to the market rewards. It's like a sharing economy for telecoms.
Honestly with crypto such a thing could be possible, and this is the more interesting side.
Take something designed to handle huge numbers of transactions, with no transaction fees.
Such a system could really open things up.
 

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Honestly with crypto such a thing could be possible, and this is the more interesting side.
Take something designed to handle huge numbers of transactions, with no transaction fees.
Such a system could really open things up.
See world mobile token which is starting with some african countries (apparently US as well)

Basically a copy of cardano blockchain tweaked for a decentralized telecom network. Whether or not they have the recipe for success is tbd but the concept is interesting. The main hurdle is that you have to compete with telecoms who have deep pockets to plaster boomers with clickbait FUD and bribe boomer regulators. Hence starting in africa

Oh and they have already met with StarLink
 

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The title of this thread needs to be updated to something like ... "Musk, the BAD FAITH takeover DUD of Twitter". :devilish:
 

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You mean the guy who is going to save the world with his technology, but couldn't figure out how to remove some bots on Twitter ?
He knows how but he has no control over twitter.

The bots are what generate ad revenue for twitter. Musk has monkeys playing ping pong with brainwaves and reusable rockets

What have you contributed to the world besides crying for more socialism handouts for the lazy
 

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He knows how but he has no control over twitter.

The bots are what generate ad revenue for twitter. Musk has monkeys playing ping pong with brainwaves and reusable rockets

What have you contributed to the world besides crying for more socialism handouts for the lazy
I don't believe bots really generate ad revenue for Twitter.

If the ads work anything like Google or Bing ads, you adjust your spend to make sure it's profitable for you.
I don't care how many clicks or whatever I get, if Twitter drives $100 in gross profit, I'll only spend up to $100 in advertising. It's to the advertisers benefit to put high quality ads in front of real customers.
 

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If the ads work anything like Google or Bing ads, you adjust your spend to make sure it's profitable for you.
I don't care how many clicks or whatever I get, if Twitter drives $100 in gross profit, I'll only spend up to $100 in advertising. It's to the advertisers benefit to put high quality ads in front of real customers.
It's to manipulate the engagement algorithm

They also do the opposite with shadow bans

Twitter knows what they are doing
 

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It's to manipulate the engagement algorithm

They also do the opposite with shadow bans

Twitter knows what they are doing
Those are different purposes than trying to scam ad money.
Their goal should be to sell the most product with the fewest ad impressions. Those buying advertising are looking at cost per sale, and the advertising networks need to deliver the most competitive cost per sale they can.

There is a whole "science" in conversion tracking and costing.
 
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