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Here are two incidents that happened over just a couple days in this American city. This is considered one of the best cities in the US.

First, my coworker and her husband (one is white, one is black) were out on a walk at noon. They were chased by a white supremacist, someone who started ranting and raving about mixed races and kept following them. Apparently he tailed them for about half a mile before he gave up. This "mixed race" thing is a real sore spot for the white supremacists. My coworker and her husband have experienced this before, and carry concealed handguns precisely due to this threat. NOTE: this is an ultra-liberal city, so can you imagine what it's like elsewhere?

Next, some guy was murdered a couple blocks from my apartment last night in a shooting, around midnight. That rattled me and when I bring it up at work, nobody is really impressed -- because someone is killed here DAILY! Even the "safest" American cities are significantly more dangerous than Canadian cities.
 

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Indeed. I spent enough years living in Washington DC and Houston to be totally numb to the daily tally of shootings.

One also learns to be a defensive driver because one never knows when that pissed off person in the vehicle next to you doesn't pick up a handgun and start shooting at you. No finger, no honking, no cutting off.... if you really want to get to your destination.
 

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I had to laugh when you said that James. You and your friends do seem to attract the white supremacists.

However it really isn't funny that there is so many nut cases down south. There are some up here as well, they are usually in small towns in BC. I find many of these crazy white people are usually hostile to everyone and not just colored people, even if they talk that way.

Down south it does seem to go left and right the violence down there. In general their society just isn't as advanced as ours, which includes everyone on the left, right, religious or whatever.
 

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Murder rate per 100,000 residents

USA 4.5
Canada 1.6

Nunavut: 14.8
NWT 11.5
Sask 2.6

While the US has 2-3 times the murder rate of Canada, it's less than some places in Canada (and not far off Sask number), and rate in both Canada and the US is about half of what it was the 1970's.

All of these numbers are pretty low when you really think bout it. South Africa has about 30 homicides per 100,000
 

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I kind of laugh, too, except I'm finding that it all stresses me out -- the crime part. I was at the grocery store yesterday and noticed a large police response to something, so I went to talk with them. They told me that a man was waving around a handgun outside the grocery store doors.

Time and again I'm shocked at how people here shrug off incidents that seem very serious to me. But to give you an idea of how the threats are real, the private security hired by my apartment complex are armed.

I'm in Portland Oregon.

Strangely, when I look up crime stats, they are not particularly bad in the neighbourhood where I live. The city's statistics web page shows 1 murder in my region in the last 12 months, and there was 1 yesterday. Maybe I'm suffering from "recency bias"?
 

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Today after work I walked to the site of last night's murder. There are some candles and some people gathered around.
 

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Here in Winnipeg our normal annual murder count is about 24. One every two weeks. Some years it's higher. Population of Winnipeg is about 700,000. That's ~ 3.4/100,000.
 

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Freakonomics has directly correlated the drop with our society legalizing abortion. Makes sense.
Maybe, but I have heard other theories.
Aging population, as people get older they are less likely to commit crimes, esp violent crimes.
Better education, on average, has an impact on crime( and teenage pregnancies perhaps)
There are a couple more theories that I can't recall at the moment.
 

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I know Canadians often complain that wait times are too long, it's hard to find a doctor, hard to get appointments in Canada... think it's easier in the US.

I'm in a major US city and I just phoned the giant clinic here to get an appointment for a dermatologist. The earliest they can give me is 1.5 months out -- mid January!!

Similarly, I had plenty of trouble finding a regular doctor in the US. I just want to help dispel this idea that it's hard to find a doc in Canada but much easier in US.
 

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^ can't edit post. The city is over 600,00 people by the way - about the size of Winnipeg.

Maybe it's more fair to say: it's hard to find doctors and specialists in both Canada and the US.
 

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James why can't you edit your post? Are you the new mod Trump or something and they are taking away your powers.

Sorry for the jab James, I just had to do it.

Anyway I am sure wait times go down for whoever has the coin to go where they want. Overall I would still want the Canadian system over the crazy US system any day.
 

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It depends on the urgency, to some degree. My husband had a suspicious-looking growth on his finger and they got him into a derm for it within a week. Turned out to be nothing, but I guess they thought it might be melanoma which is why they rushed it.
 

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Well this seems like a good as place as any to put this story.

Trump is mad at Mexico and threatening NAFTA for letting a hoard of migrants walk through it on the way to the US. These people look like they have been funded by some open borders group which I am sure don't care about the pawns they have let go on this journey.

I think these people from central America look like decent people but Trump is right you can't just send out the message that borders don't matter and you can just walk into any country you want. Of course these are votes for the Dems which is all they care about, so I am sure the Dems will really want this to happen.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-02/trump-mexico-has-absolute-power-stop-caravan-migrants-weak-dems-must-act
 

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Murder rate per 100,000 residents

USA 4.5
Canada 1.6

Nunavut: 14.8
NWT 11.5
Sask 2.6

While the US has 2-3 times the murder rate of Canada, it's less than some places in Canada (and not far off Sask number), and rate in both Canada and the US is about half of what it was the 1970's.

All of these numbers are pretty low when you really think bout it. South Africa has about 30 homicides per 100,000
My brother watched one man slit another man's throat during an argument in South Africa. Literally slashed his throat and then watched him bleed out on the ground. The big crowd watched and jeered but not at the throat cutter. They were worked up by the argument. When I really think of it, I don't think we're OK because we're better than South Africa. Any comparison to a lawless anarchy is irrelevant.

When I was in Mexico, the universal safety conversation is this: You're fine as long as you don't sell drugs

I believe there is a lot to that. If you subtract the deaths related to drug turf squabbles, it would be a very low number.

Now. Saskatchewan. If you were to subtract the first nations gang on gang related deaths, the murder rate would be a fraction of what it is. That said, the gang problem is growing and I don't see much effort to get it under control so we are on a trajectory to turn into a Mexican style drug zone.

There remains a lot of good things about Saskatchewan but if we still live here in five years, I will consider that a complete failure.
 
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