Heatwave

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james4beach

Discussion Starter · Jun 30, 2021

One has to take the heat seriously, it can be deadly. Police in the Greater Vancouver area are reporting roughly 100 sudden / excess deaths over the last three days, they are not diagnosed but very likely due to the heatwave.

Two keys to handling high heat

(1) stay hydrated. If your pee is dark yellow, you aren't drinking enough water. A problem with hydration is that you have to "stay ahead" of the situation because once you get dehydrated it can be challenging to catch up. So as soon as the heat arrives, start drinking water aggressively and calibrate using the pee colour.

(2) reduce and relieve body temperature. Cold showers are good, but it's even better to immerse yourself in a cold bathtub, since immersion will really help drop your body's temperature. Other tricks are soaking a shirt in cold water and wearing that, or soaking a hat, or soaking a towel in cold water and wrapping that around your head/body.

Avoid alcohol, since it does not help with handling heat. Also think of places you can escape to. I don't have air conditioning, but my apartment building has AC in the lobby, and the stairwells and parking garage are also very cool.

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AltaRed

· #141 · 10 mo ago (Edited)

There is indeed a lot of noise in the media hyped by vested interests but to say measurements are largely compromised by the proximity of sensors to A/C units, concrete, etc. is rather absurd in the extreme. Certainly some measurements are from improper urban locations but they have been historically so. Most of the millions of weather data locations are not when you examine the studies (think atmospheric, ocean, land, etc) and what is just as important is the trend, i.e. change, over time. Your continued use of

Weather stations are surrounded by concrete, near jet engine exhausts, near AC units, etc.

doesn't say much for objectivity. You are welcome to continue to believe what you believe. Time will prove you wrong. It is only a matter of degree .

Added later: FWIW, I believe in being more objective and pragmatic in the transition than the 'sky is falling' crowd. Rate of transition and adaptability can't overdrive the headlights. Let's just be intelligent about how we get there. I am not about to convert my nat gas heating to heat pump until it is 'time' to change out equipment, and I am not about to buy an EV until the technology has matured better AND my current ICE vehicles reach a meaningful life span.

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HappilyRetired

· #142 · 10 mo ago

AltaRed said:
Most of the millions of weather data locations are not when you examine the studies (think atmospheric, ocean, land, etc) and what is just as important is the trend, i.e. change, over time. Your continued use of doesn't say much for objectivity. You are welcome to continue to believe what you believe. Time will prove you wrong. It is only a matter of degree

There are 27,372 weather stations, not millions.

WorldClim: Global weather stations | Data Basin

AltaRed

· #143 · 10 mo ago

How many are near A/C units, runways and concrete walls? How many of those were surreptitiously placed in such locations in the last decade or two in an ulterior motive to falsify data trends for a 'false narrative' in the rate of temperature/wind/humidity/precipitation?

HappilyRetired

· #144 · 10 mo ago

AltaRed said:
How many are near A/C units, runways and concrete walls? How many of those were surreptitiously placed in such locations in the last decade or two in an ulterior motive to falsify data trends for a 'false narrative' in the rate of temperature/wind/humidity/precipitation?

First you think there are millions of weather statins and now you don't know how many are poorly located. What do you know?

There's no need to move a weather station when development builds up around them. As to how many? The answer should be zero if this is a serious as we're told but it's not.

Here's a report showing how poorly located many weather stations are.

"89 percent – nearly 9 of 10 – of the stations surveyed produce unreliable data by NOAA’s own definition."

surfacestationsreport_spring09.pdf (wordpress.com)

AltaRed

· #145 · 10 mo ago

That study is one needle in the overall haystack of studies, reports and op-eds. Apparently not accredited nor peer reviewed for competency though perhaps it has been.

Data gathering is always messy due to environmental variables, but that is where modeling comes in. Modeling takes a lot of data and massages it, and over time, algorithms are tweaked such that model outputs align with historical data on a global basis. You know full well there are a lot of variables and statistical analysis is necessary to establish 'probable outcomes'. We have decades of data and modeling outputs now to get reasonable confidence in projections. If you are a scientist or engineer, you already know that.

Links like you just posted are simply part of a much larger process to understand the data better. They are never meant to be taken literally...except by those with intent to support their particular position. Hang on to any sound bite you wish to support your opinion but opinion has little to do with the reality of current trends. Your assertions won't play out as you appear to currently assume.

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cainvest

· #146 · 10 mo ago

HappilyRetired said:
"89 percent – nearly 9 of 10 – of the stations surveyed produce unreliable data by NOAA’s own definition."

And the counter to that opinion piece you linked ....

New analysis shows US temperature record is reliable, rejects 2009 claims by Anthony Watts

andrewf

· #147 · 10 mo ago

cainvest said:
And the counter to that opinion piece you linked ....

New analysis shows US temperature record is reliable, rejects 2009 claims by Anthony Watts

But see, this doesn't confirm his preconceived notion, therefore must be the world of the global (((moneyed))) cabal.

HappilyRetired

· #148 · 10 mo ago

We'll call it a draw...you believe your guy and I'll believe my guy.

cainvest

· #149 · 10 mo ago

HappilyRetired said:
We'll call it a draw...you believe your guy and I'll believe my guy.

Hardly a draw, your paper has virtually no scientific data supporting the claim, as explained in the article I linked too. The article I linked to has "real scientific data" in regards to the weather stations in question.

james4beach

Discussion Starter · #150 · 10 mo ago

Humidity is a big factor in the heat.

Today was 36 to 38 C where I am, but very dry. I went hiking for two and a half hours and it really didn't feel so bad. I drank a ton of water, and was sweating, but my sweat also evaporated rapidly.

Beaver101

· #151 · 10 mo ago

^ Would agree "humidity" is a big factor in heat ... it just jack the temperature up by several degrees.

One time as I was preparing for a trip down to an island in the tropics, the weather channel stated it was about 33C there which I thought wasn't so bad. But when I stepped out of the airport, I thought was walking into a blaster oven - and upon checking the temperature there - it was registering something like 43/44C ... an additional 10C! No wonder. No thanks for a re-trip even it was early spring there. It's hot hot hot hot hot hot there all year round, just like Texas, Florida, Arizona, etc. with humidity fluxes.

sags

· #152 · 10 mo ago

The air conditioner on our main floor is continually dripping water out the back onto the patio.

It is surprising how much moisture it draws out of the small floor area.

Beaver101

· #153 · 10 mo ago

^ I think that water flow is caused by condensation of cold meeting hot (air).

Ukrainiandude

· #154 · 9 mo ago

China should burn more coal it might help.

Chinese authorities are attempting to induce rainfall in parts of central and southwest China amid a severe drought and record-breaking heatwave.
The Yangtze River - Asia's longest waterway - is now at record low levels. In some stretches, there has been less than half the usual rainfall.
Hydropower reservoirs are currently down by as much as half, officials say.
At the same time, a surge in demand for air conditioning has put power companies under extreme pressure.
The two-month-long heatwave is the longest on record in China, the National Climate Centre said.
Provinces around the drought-stricken Yangtze river have turned to cloud seeding operations to combat the lack of rain, with Hubei and a number of other provinces launching rockets carrying chemicals into the sky, according to local media.
But a lack of cloud cover has stalled efforts in some areas seeking to do the same.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-62573547

Beaver101

· #155 · 9 mo ago

Not sure where to put this but then it's A/C aka heat-related so here it is. Should be good news for Ontarian renters:

Access to air conditioning should be a 'vital service' for all Ontario tenants: OHRC

Published Friday, August 19, 2022 12:35PM EDT

The Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC) is calling on the Doug Ford government to designate air conditioning as a vital service for tenants in the province.

In a release issued Friday, the OHRC called for the implementation of a maximum provincial temperature and the ability to access air conditioning for all tenants under Residential Tenancy Act (RTA) regulations.

“Extreme heat caused by climate change is killing people … and will continue to get worse,” the group said in their statement. “A human rights-based approach to air conditioning/cooling is required to make sure all Ontarians have accessible, adequate and safe housing.”

Current RTA regulations list heat as a vital service, requiring Ontario tenants to have access to heat services from Sept. 1 to June 15 every year.

While municipal regulations can require housing with central air conditioning systems, such as long-term care homes or other multi-unit housing, to maintain a maximum temperature of 26 C between June and September, there is nothing set out in the RTA requiring all Ontario tenants be permitted access to air conditioning during the summer months.

sags

· #156 · 9 mo ago

Beaver101 said:
^ I think that water flow is caused by condensation of cold meeting hot (air).

Ah......that makes sense.

Ukrainiandude

· #157 · 9 mo ago

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1560717540069937153

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Ukrainiandude

· #158 · 9 mo ago

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1560742351424720897

HappilyRetired

· #159 · 9 mo ago

That means nothing. The Rhine dried up so much in 1540 that people could walk across:

1540 European drought - Wikipedia

HappilyRetired

· #160 · 9 mo ago

I guess only some misinformation is banned by Twitter 😁

Ukrainiandude, please feel free to correct or delete your inaccurate posts...

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