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TORONTO -- A group of medical associations representing more than 40 million health professionals from around the world is urging the G20 governments to focus on addressing public health and climate change when it comes to economic recovery packages for COVID-19.

More than 350 medical groups, including the World Medical Association, the Canadian Federation of Medical Students, the Canadian Medical Association and the Conseil des medecins, dentistes et pharmaciens are asking the governments to prioritize clean air, fresh water and public health when considering stimulus packages for their economies.

Medical groups urge G20 to focus on climate change with COVID-19 aid packages

A group of medical associations representing more than 40 million health professionals from around the world is urging the G20 governments to focus on addressing public health and climate change when it comes to economic recovery packages for COVID-19.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[cainvest]

You are not all that concerned with facts, in other words.

So what exactly are the facts then to why Venus is hotter?

 

[andrewf]

Mostly because it has a very thick atmosphere (100x Earth) that is mostly CO2, but also because it receives about double the irradiance as Earth. Notably little water vapour!

 

[Prairie Guy]

You are not all that concerned with facts, in other words.

I was factually accurate. Venus is closer to the Sun and that contributes to its higher temperature.

If you have scientific evidence contrary to that please provide it.

 

[cainvest]

Mostly because it has a very thick atmosphere (100x Earth) that is mostly CO2, but also because it receives about double the irradiance as Earth. Notably little water vapour!

The mostly should be related to the distance to the sun and not the CO2 as you state. Not sure about the point of "Notably little water vapour!" which is pretty much a given at those temperatures, again due to the distance from the sun.

 

[MrMatt]

The mostly should be related to the distance to the sun and not the CO2 as you state. Not sure about the point of "Notably little water vapour!" which is pretty much a given at those temperatures, again due to the distance from the sun.

What does temperature have to do with it?
Venus doesn't have much water, therefore there isn't much in the atmosphere.

If it did have water, it would have boiled and would be mostly water vapor, even at the higher pressure it's still well above boiling.

 

[andrewf]

The mostly should be related to the distance to the sun and not the CO2 as you state. Not sure about the point of "Notably little water vapour!" which is pretty much a given at those temperatures, again due to the distance from the sun.

If it was driven by high irradiance, you would expect the night side of Venus to be far colder, as well as the poles. Venus has very long days (116 Earth days). However, the temperature is quite consistently hot day or night, equator or polar regions.

Further evidence: Mercury gets 6.6x solar irradiance as earth, and roughly 3x that of Venus. It has a lower max temperature than Venus during the day, and goes down to -170C at night. Venus is always around 465C, even after a 60 day night. Explain how Mercury is cooler.

 

[andrewf]

I was factually accurate. Venus is closer to the Sun and that contributes to its higher temperature.

If you have scientific evidence contrary to that please provide it.

Doublespeak.

 

[cainvest]

If it was driven by high irradiance, you would expect the night side of Venus to be far colder, as well as the poles. Venus has very long days (116 Earth days). However, the temperature is quite consistently hot day or night, equator or polar regions.

Further evidence: Mercury gets 6.6x solar irradiance as earth, and roughly 3x that of Venus. It has a lower max temperature than Venus during the day, and goes down to -170C at night. Venus is always around 465C, even after a 60 day night. Explain how Mercury is cooler.

I'm not sure where you're going with this or your comment about "Notably little water vapour!" Are you trying to make a useless comparison between earth and venus?

 

[like_to_retire]

As the summer approaches and the temperature rises, people should be aware of the increased health problems due to climate change.

Woke up this morning - June 1st - and my furnace is on.

Damn that global warming, when will it ever arrive - I'm so looking forward to it, but nothing so far.

ltr

 

[kcowan]

Woke up this morning - June 1st - and my furnace is on.

Damn that global warming, when will it ever arrive - I'm so looking forward to it, but nothing so far.

ltr

Just wait a couple of weeks and you will need AC.

 

[andrewf]

I'm not sure where you're going with this or your comment about "Notably little water vapour!" Are you trying to make a useless comparison between earth and venus?

Trying to stoke some cognitive dissonance for those who start with conclusion that 'global warming is a hoax' and select rationalization 'atmospheric CO2 is not causitive--it's all about that water vapour!' That view of reality is not consistent with what we know about Venus, Mercury and the Earth. A more direct thing would be to talk about the energy flows of a planet and how that drives temperature, but people who just say that Big Chemistry is lying about basic chemical attributes of CO2 for that sweet sweet grant money in a conspiracy that goes back almost a century. Present them with some more basic facts that they can reason on without having to do the math and maybe it helps sow some doubt in their preconceived notions.

 

[cainvest]

Trying to stoke some cognitive dissonance for those who start with conclusion that 'global warming is a hoax' and select rationalization 'atmospheric CO2 is not causitive--it's all about that water vapour!' That view of reality is not consistent with what we know about Venus, Mercury and the Earth. A more direct thing would be to talk about the energy flows of a planet and how that drives temperature, but people who just say that Big Chemistry is lying about basic chemical attributes of CO2 for that sweet sweet grant money in a conspiracy that goes back almost a century. Present them with some more basic facts that they can reason on without having to do the math and maybe it helps sow some doubt in their preconceived notions.

I think we have enough trouble understanding our own planet where we have a fair amount of data available. Discussing CO2 issues for other planets really doesn't tell us anything useful. Both venus and mars have very high CO2 levels (> 95% vs earths 0.04%) yet one is hotter and the other is colder. There is no simple comparison or understanding there, it'll just add more useless data points to the discussion.

What to really help? Find a way to separate science from greed and politics.

 

[andrewf]

Well, there are similar amounts of CO2 in earth and mars respective atmospheres when you look at absolute amount.

 

[Prairie Guy]

Naomi Seibt is threatened with prison for not following the party line on global warming:

 

[andrewf]

What crime is she being charged with? I'm guessing there is not a German offense called "offending the climate orthodoxy". Perhaps knowing what the actual charges are may shed additional light. Perhaps it may turn out to have something to do with foreign cash...

 

[Spudd]

What crime is she being charged with? I'm guessing there is not a German offense called "offending the climate orthodoxy". Perhaps knowing what the actual charges are may shed additional light. Perhaps it may turn out to have something to do with foreign cash...

Apparently it was doing sponsored videos but not disclosing it?

Fact check: Climate change skeptic Naomi Seibt was not banned from social media for her views and she is appealing a regulator’s order to remove two videos

Update: May 28, 2020

www.reuters.com

“Ms. Seibt was requested to delete two YouTube videos because they violate German law. The basis of our decision is the prohibition of third party influence on the editorial content in audiovisual media according to articles 7 para. 7 sentence 1 in connection with 58 para. 3 sentence 1 of the Interstate Broadcasting Treaty (Rundfunkstaatsvertrag-RStV).

“Ms. Seibt was heard on the facts of the case. Her statement was not able to invalidate the accusation of illegal thematic placement (in German „Themenplatzierung”). Unlike in America, in Germany it is prohibited by law to provide media content, if a third party has exerted influence on it and if the cooperation is based on a compensation. Unlike in America, in Germany Freedom of speech is not touched by this ban.”

If you translate article 7 paragraph 7 of the treaty they mentioned, it comes out as:
Surreptitious advertising, product and topic placement and corresponding practices are not permitted.
(and then goes into more detail but that's the gist.)

 

[andrewf]

So, much like the Michael Moore video, you still have to obey the law, even if you are a climate denial martyr?

 

[Prairie Guy]

So, much like the Michael Moore video, you still have to obey the law, even if you are a climate denial martyr?

The law is being selectively applied to censor a child who disagrees with the agenda. I'm sure if it wasn't that violation they would have found some other technicality.

But it's not all bad...Antifa videos promoting violence are still allowed. 🤣

 

[MrMatt]

The law is being selectively applied to censor a child who disagrees with the agenda. I'm sure if it wasn't that violation they would have found some other technicality.

But it's not all bad...Antifa videos promoting violence are still allowed. 🤣

Of course promoting violence, lies, racial division and climate change denial, all approved.

Promoting debate, the truth, unity, and climate change, they'll block, smear and attack you.