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I wonder if many of them, once they actually do retire early, will find themselves bored and go work again.
I can't understand how anyone could ever get bored.

I mean, I know people do. But it just seems like it would never be a possibility for me to get bored. I can't find ENOUGH TIME to do things. I have to cross things off I'll never be able to do just because time doesn't allow for it!
 

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I wonder if many of them, once they actually do retire early, will find themselves bored and go work again.
Same comment as @KaeJS

Give me even 10 lives living 100 years each without ever working and I still wouldn't get bored.

People who get bored with their free time doesn't understand what it is to live. Or have absolutely no curiosity and openness to new interests, knowledge, people, locations, cultures, etc.
 
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It's why I believe so much in FIRE. I want the time do to everything and anythign I want. And not just the time, but the physical and mental energy. Work takes most of that away from me. To be fair, work has also made me a better human being, but I find it has diminishing returns. At some point you need to move on and do better things with your life.
 

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It's why I believe so much in FIRE. I want the time do to everything and anythign I want. And not just the time, but the physical and mental energy.
Ok, then why not work 4 days a week instead so you can have more free time while you are young and full of energy? It would also help your mental health and physical health. Why retire early? Why not take that extra money to have more time now?

I agree way more with people who either shift right away to fewer working hours, or work part time than with people who race for the retirement, as if life started when retirement started. Life is happening here and now, so you need more time here and now.
 

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Ok, then why not work 4 days a week instead so you can have more free time while you are young and full of energy? It would also help your mental health and physical health. Why retire early? Why not take that extra money to have more time now?

I agree way more with people who either shift right away to fewer working hours, or work part time than with people who race for the retirement, as if life started when retirement started. Life is happening here and now, so you need more time here and now.
This is a very solid point.

Unfortunately, a lot of jobs don't allow for this flexibility. I like the idea that some companies are trying a 4 day work week and having good success with it.
 

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Ok, then why not work 4 days a week instead so you can have more free time while you are young and full of energy? It would also help your mental health and physical health. Why retire early? Why not take that extra money to have more time now?
4 days a week doesn't mean you do 4 days worth of work. It means to me that 5 days worth of work needs to be completed within 4 days.
 

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4 days a week doesn't mean you do 4 days worth of work. It means to me that 5 days worth of work needs to be completed within 4 days.
It would also mean missing meetings on your day off and often have to play catch up with coworkers. That kind of arrangement doesn't work for most jobs where team work is required, unless the whole organisation does it.
 

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No but hopefully soon the jobs will become 4-day weeks. In the past, people worked 6-day weeks. Yet here we are today working 5-day weeks.

I agree that working 4 days while most people at your job still work 5 days may lead to some issues, but I've seen colleagues make that deal and they are super happy with it.

Lots of studies say that the benefits of a 4-day week can make you almost as productive as when you worked 5 days, so you don't really have to rush and squeeze more job in fewer days.

People also complain having too many meetings and some do a 1-day no meeting per week. No issue if that's your day off.
 

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4 days a week doesn't mean you do 4 days worth of work. It means to me that 5 days worth of work needs to be completed within 4 days.
That's the entire premise behind the book The 4 hour week.

Honestly watching organizations, good management can do a lot to move to more efficient work.

Back in my early career everyone had to take an effective meetings course (it was short), and if people violated the rules, it was expected to be raised as an issue.

So we always had stuff like.
1. Agendas and decisions to be made.
2. Ideally most background data provided in advance etc.

Almost no organizations do that.
The one REALLY easy thing to do in a meeting, is to set the time of the next meeting while everyone is in there.

I was shocked how many groups did meetings without agendas, or without providing background info in advance, or people not reading the background info.
Then the "we'll meet in month", then in a month the scramble to find time.

Those types of problems are a management failure.

The best thing about one place was that the meetings were planned so well, we just had department reps go through and basically checklist the agenda, 80% of the people who did the work for the meeting didn't even have to show up. FYI, the reps weren't necessarily managers.
 

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I also kind find it annoying and somewhat disingenuous when FIRE talkers are dependent on side hustles, blog income, book sales, etc.
Very true. One of my coworkers was in the news a few years ago when he decided to retire at age 30, or maybe it was 35. I can't remember the details.

The article made it sound like the couple had done FIRE and completely retired. But in fact, they still had minor sources of income through side hussles. Another great example is Mr Money Mustache himself, who has published some rather popular books (and he's been at conferences too, so I'm sure he's paid to appear).

Kind of ironic actually, because FIRE people may think of Mr Money Mustache as a template for retiring early, but I would argue he isn't retired. He's not just living off his portfolio... he's still working!
 

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Ok, then why not work 4 days a week instead so you can have more free time while you are young and full of energy?
Before I quit my full time job, I went to my employer with exactly this request. I had asked to work either 3 or 4 days a week (based on total hours in a month). At the time I decided that I need more leisure time so that I can improve my health, get exercise, and see my friends & family.

For a while, they let me do it (using unpaid time off) and this was an absolutely amazing time for me. I can't explain how happy I was. My income was still rather high, but I also had free time. For example, I went skiing in the middle of the week. Or I stayed in Las Vegas for a week, doing a bit of work from my laptop by the pool.

I loved that setup of about 60% to 80% workload. But then, management crunched some numbers and determined the company can't allow this. So they told me I can't do that any more.

That's when I quit.
 
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