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Not a surprise, but other than destroying children's livers, lockdowns had other detrimental effect:

There are different theories as to what is causing the acute hepatitis in children. None of them are that they are caused by lockdowns.

 

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There are different theories as to what is causing the acute hepatitis in children. None of them are that they are caused by lockdowns.

Wrong, your article is outdated and now it is known what causes it. I posted it here. UK researchers attribute it directly to lockdowns. Scroll couple pages back if you are interested in verifying the source
 

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Wrong, your article is outdated and now it is known what causes it. I posted it here. UK researchers attribute it directly to lockdowns. Scroll couple pages back if you are interested in verifying the source
Not really, but one group did bring it up as a hypothesis:

With loss of child mixing during the COVID pandemic, reduced spread of common respiratory and enteric viral infections and no evidence of transmission of AAV2 infection in association with SARS-CoV-2, it is likely that immunity to both HAdV-F41 and AAV2 declined sharply in the age group affected by this unexplained hepatitis outbreak.

However, they also followed up with this:

There are a number of limitations to our study. First, our numbers are small and the finding is of an association of AAV2 presence and high viral levels with the unexplained paediatric hepatitis cases. While there is strong circumstantial evidence, we cannot establish causality with the data we have. AAV2 could be a bystander or a marker of co-infection with HAdV-F41s or even HHV-6B. Against this explanation is the association of high levels of AAV2 with cases of unexplained hepatitis and the much less frequent and statistically lower levels of AAV2 in all controls including those with hepatitis of known aetiology, even when infected with HAdV or even HHV-6 helper viruses. The relevance of this finding together with the potential contribution of AAV2 to this outbreak of unexplained hepatitis need further testing in properly controlled studies. Second, due to the low viral titres of adenovirus in whole blood and other specimens from the cases, only one full HAdV genome could be sequenced from the stool of a case. While this cannot completely exclude the emergence of a new HAdV-F41 as the cause of this outbreak, the clustering of this sequence with other UK HAdV-F41 sequences and the partial whole blood AdF41 sequences from cases, reduce the likelihood. Third, our data alone are not sufficient to rule out an effect of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron, the appearance of which preceded the outbreak of unexplained hepatitis and this will need to wait for results from large case-controlled studies such as the one underway led by UKHSA. Fourth, while we postulate that changes in the epidemiology of infections in children during the pandemic may have altered patterns of AAV2 and HAdV infection and disease, further data, with wider testing of other cohorts and seroepidemiological studies of AAV2 in cases and controls are needed to support this.

Summary: they found the presence of AAV2 and HAdV-F41 infection in the children, but can't concretely say that the combined infection is what caused the hepatitis. And that their hypothesis about lack of children mixing needs more research to prove it.

So no, they didn't attribute it directly to lockdown. They just raised it as a possibility, just like they raised the fact that it could also be an effect of the Omicron wave that preceded this unexplained hepatitis.

As for the other group: Adeno-associated virus 2 infection in children with non-A-E hepatitis
They said nothing about lockdowns.

Too bad these are all pre-print articles and haven't been peer-reviewed yet. In fact, the site has this disclaimer:
Caution: Preprints are preliminary reports of work that have not been certified by peer review. They should not be relied on to guide clinical practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news media as established information.
 

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Covid, monkey pox, smallpox, and now polio found in US wastewater sample has scientists considering if there is some connection to climate change.

Maybe add hepatitis to the list.

Scientists have long predicted there would be a lot of negative effects from climate change that haven’t been fully researched, including the release of deadly pathogens and methane from the thawing tundra.
 

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Ford has done a great job on attracting manufacturing into Ontario, particularly in the auto industry.....but his handling of healthcare is abysmal.

He really seems to have blind spots on healthcare and LTC homes, for some reason.

Maybe he has been listening to the Mike Harris and his "create a crisis in healthcare so we can push for private healthcare" plan.
 

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Maybe he has been listening to the Mike Harris and his "create a crisis in healthcare so we can push for private healthcare" plan.
That's probably what's needed because the present model is not working and no amount of money thrown at it will change that. Some form of public/private partnership would relieve a lot of the problems.

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Everybody: Ontario hospitals and the province’s healthcare system are in crisis.

Doug Ford: Folks, we’re training more autoworkers!
... I can't wait to see how his 2nd term ends - NOT WELL for sure.

And Ontario better not be accepting any out of province patients Covid or not!!!!!
 

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That's probably what's needed because the present model is not working and no amount of money thrown at it will change that. Some form of public/private partnership would relieve a lot of the problems.

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... so how are you going to split up the medical pool (ie. doctors, surgeons, nurses, lab workers, etc.) in a "public/private" partnership? So as an example, a top surgeon working in a public hospital gets paid "extra" by going to a "private" clinic gives "superior" skills on working/saving the patient there whereas when he/she is in a "public" funded hospital, there's nothing more that can be done for the patient. Better yet, send him/her home to die.

Right now, for one the healthcare insurance premiums is skewed with the cap. If you're making a $1M salary, surely you can afford to pay more than the $900 annual threshold. In fact, you can jetson over to the USA to get "immediate" treatment instead of waiting a day or 2 in an Ontario ER hallway just to see a doc..
 

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In fact, you can jetson over to the USA to get "immediate" treatment instead of waiting a day or 2 in an Ontario ER hallway just to see a doc..
Yep, and that pretty well reveals the difference between our public system and their private system. Here, you can die in a hallway waiting and there your private insurance pays for a doctor when you need one.

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Yep, and that pretty well reveals the difference between our public system and their private system. Here, you can die in a hallway waiting and there your private insurance pays for a doctor when you need one.

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... so does it not make sense the "rich" go get their own "private" coverage whilst the rest of us poor wait on the gurney for treatment if not die off? Ie. let the rich opt out of the "public" health systems.
 

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Global hunger has increased massively, from 135 million people acutely food insecure in 2019 to 345 million in 2022, according to the World Food Programme (WFP).


I guess the fact that lockdowns destroyed kids livers is less of a problem now that they also removed 'digestion' from liver's function for hundreds of millions
 

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We already can. Have you heard of Telus Health? $4800/yr for queue jumping.
...queue jumping to where - to the public hospitals? Or to a private surgical clinic? If it's the latter, than it's REALLY cheap even for a ingrown toe nail procedure - in the USA of course.

Btw, it doesn't require $4800 to "jump the queue" in the public health systems - been happening "decades" ago for next to "free" (only paying into OHIP).

As I recall (and very clearly), the "CEO" of one of the company I used to work for went onto "announce" in the AGM of being the "first" in line (if not getting first rate) "surgical" treatment from a major (public) TO hospital when he had his first heart palpitation. Yeah, he got a "by-pass" the "next day" while friends that I know were "lucky" enough to be on the 6 months, if not more, "waiting list" to see the specialist. Did I see his name on the even (at the lowest level donor list) at the hospital for that "first rate" service? No. Btw, his annual salary was $2M at that time. $4,800 annual fee for jumping the queue is a drop in the bucket for these real al cheapos. Rich in the mouth but cheapest in the pockets.
 

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Now that we are 2.25 years into COVID, has anyone changed their point of view regarding governmental response, shutting down the economy, etc?

I feel the response was about right. Requiring vaccination for employment and apartment leases is a step too far. I'm glad the courts came down on the right side of that issue.

As an apartment block owner, I am conflicted because I'd like to be able to do whatever I want but I also know what apartment operators are like. Few have much respect at all for the people who make a home in their operation.

In some ways, I feel that it was duplicitous to pretend vaccination was optional when it was not.

Meanwhile, a substantial portion of the US ignored COVID. From what I can tell, they were not and are not medically worse off for keeping their economies operating.

It would be difficult to differentiate between the elevated death rate caused by comorbidities and elevated death rate caused by COVID parties. So, I could be wrong on this but I think the US could not have done much better. The folks who got vaccinated were reasonably safe.
 
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