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No, it just shows that Florida is doing objectively (excess deaths, covid deaths) better than majority of states with much less infringements on freedoms, interference in economy, and abuse of human rights than other states.
It clearly shows that restrictions are completely ineffective since states with much harsher restrictions are doing worse than Florida.

As a counterargument, we should look at Italy, France, and conclude that any restrictions, covid passports, limitations, segregations are absolutely useless and counter-effective because they are beating their records every single day by a factor close to 2?
Should we blame vaccine passports, lockdowns, restrictions for the fact that they have terrible results?
Or should we simply finally notice that vaccine passports and restrictions are useless and ineffective?
 

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The government likes to pretend they can protect the public against Omicron.
They can't.
Look at New York. Look at Quebec. Look at Italy. Look at France.
Are you going to blame what happened to your family on the government?

All government can do right now is hurt people.
Unfortunately, they want to be seen as doing something, so that's precisely what they do.

US is extremely important to look at. Not because they have done well.
Because it is pretty much the only country in the world where individual States had vastly different responses. So you can compare how responses measured against each other under same CDC reporting guidelines.
 

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The thing spreads across corridors in quarantine hotels. From fully vaccinated to fully vaccinated. How do you stop that?

They are being stupid, but for completely different reason than your post indicates.
Quebec has curfews, etc. Italy and France have strictest human rights abuse and segregation. They all are beating records and are beating them significantly, relentlessly, every single day
 

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You're twisting the truth in every way. Quebec only brought back the curfew yesterday. I don't know the situation of all these cities today, but just about everywhere in Canada over the last ~ 2 weeks, it's been "party time" as normal.

All of it could have been avoided.
The thing spreads across corridors in quarantine hotels. From fully vaccinated to fully vaccinated. How do you stop that?
 

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Of course. Now we even have to debate how stats are rendered.
No, you really don't. Same way you (hopefully) don't debate that 2 + 2 = 4.

It is a fact that the way deaths are counted vary from country to country.
For example, NHS looks at how many people died within 28 days of testing positive.
It doesn't matter whether they were symptomatic, had symptoms, were hospitalized, died of old age, from COVID, with gunshot wound in back-alley, or in a car crash.
Now, if you wanted to find amount of deaths likely attributed to COVID you would have to look at demographics that made up positive tests and what would be the expected deaths among this group within any 28 day period.

Or you can acknowledge that it is much different way of measuring than Canada has; therefore, you can't do direct comparison.

What you can do however, is make a direct comparison between regions in UK.
 

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You accuse people of correlating separate issues and then you proceed to do exactly that.

Florida has different timing of waves than New York does. Just look at timing of the peaks - seasonal
It has nothing to do with international travel either.
It has nothing to do with restrictions.
Simply different geographies have different timing of waves.
Despite Florida having a wave over the summer and New York just beginning its, New York still has more excess deaths than Florida
 

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July 2020 was literally the bottom in cases. Wave was Mar-April. The following year was December- March, and now it started in December again.

Florida started in July, then started late November, then July again, and now starting in December.

You know what they all have in common? - people go indoors.
That's where the transmission happens, that's where the problem lays.
That's why restrictions are useless - they push people indoors.
Close the restaurants - people will gather at homes with worse ventilations.
Close the national parks (idiots should be fired on the spot for that) - people will go indoors.
 

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And with Omicron it is hard to predict. That sucker jumps across hallways in quarantine hotels from fully vaccinated people to fully vaccinated people. Whole different game.

Would rather take my chances in national park or well ventilated public spaces than crammed in apartment.
 

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It's important to note that the home kits (rapid antigen) have a horrible false negative rate, assuming they're even done correctly.

They're ok at saying you have COVID, but simply aren't reliable to say you DON'T have COVID, which is unfortunately how people are using them.

The false sense of security is a big problem, I had this concern with vaccination, and now it's repeating with home based testing.
That really depends for what purpose they are used.

If a person who would go to a gathering if rapid test wasn't possible, now decides to take one, there is x% of decrease in transmission with test having x% accuracy.
If a person wouldn't go to a gathering if rapid tests weren't available, but will go now seeing negative result, there is (1-x) increase in transmission with test having x% accuracy.

Which group among the two is bigger? No clue
 

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Scotland:
Total amount in ICU with Omicron: One
Total amount admitted to Hospitals: 91

And they estimate they had a million people infected at this outbreak.
Omicron became a dominant strain on December 17, had 90% prevalence December 31
 

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What is crazy is that they are still being sold as the way to get out of this mess, even though it is already evident they are not. Not even boosters. Those last for about 10 weeks. Israel is up to 4th shot, Denmark came out and ordered 6 shots for everyone, with expectation of applying the sixth in early 2023
 

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Yep, pretty much the same as flu vaccine. Hit or miss.
And this year they missed completely, which will add to the problem. They made vaccine for completely different strain than the one circulating now.
 

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The symptomatic disease test negative case control analysis included 169,888 Delta cases and 204,036 Omicron cases. Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease by period after dose 2 and dose 3 is shown in Figure 2 for those who received a primary course of the AstraZeneca vaccine (Figure 2a), Pfizer (Figure 2b) or Moderna (Figure 2c). Effectiveness of booster doses of Pfizer and Moderna are shown for AstraZeneca and Pfizer primary courses. In all periods, effectiveness was lower for Omicron compared to Delta. Among those who had received 2 doses of AstraZeneca, there was no effect against Omicron from 20 weeks after the second dose. Among those who had received 2 doses of Pfizer or Moderna effectiveness dropped from around 65 to 70% down to around 10% by 20 weeks after the second dose. 2 to 4 weeks after a booster dose vaccine effectiveness ranged from around 65 to 75%, dropping to 55 to 70% at 5 to 9 weeks and 40 to 50% from 10+ weeks after the booster.

Great, 4th one coming within 3 months as well
 
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