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Not much point for people to sub-contract as temporary delivery drivers when they can sit at home and collect $2000 a month.
Sags. Please remember you said that when we eventually get back to Universal Income debates and others just like it. I have been saying what you just said above, to deaf ears I will add, for a very long time.
 

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^ Unless you're sick, disabled, or under mandated quarantine or live in the boondocks, I don't see why you can't go to the "supermarket" to buy your "necessities" and follow the "social distancing" to mitigate your risk of catching the virus. Right now, retailers (particularly grocers)' online delivery systems is overloaded and the waiting period to get your "foods" is like a week. Now if you don't mind or can wait that long, then ... by all means.
It is that kind of thinking which will help to SPREAD the virus Beaver101. Every interaction, regardless of what precautions anyone takes, adds to the possibility of spread. That is why we hear the words, 'necessary' and 'non-essential' being used in all the advice we are being given.

You 'don't see why you can't go to the supermarket'. That's why, because when you do, YOU endanger others health. It's SELFISH to go if there is a way to get your groceries WITHOUT going. There is a way to get them without going, have them delivered.

As for 'if you don't mind or can wait that long'. Stop thinking like it was before this started. If you have to wait a week for delivery then WAIT a week. Learn to plan ahead and order today what you will need next week. Or is that too difficult for you to do? I MIND if YOU instead decide to put other people at RISK by acting in a way that is irresponsible, simply because you prefer to.
 

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The Province of BC is paying renters $500 a month for a few months. I would rather see the return of last month's rent, so the renter uses their own money.
Sags. Please remember you said that when we eventually get back to Universal Income debates and others just like it. I have been saying what you just said above, to deaf ears I will add, for a very long time.
The problem isn't government benefits. It is wages that pay well below government benefits.

In any event, we now have a mish mash assortment of universal basic income programs. We have socialism with a capital S.

The US just approved the biggest socialist benefit program in the history of mankind, but you know........they hate socialism.
 

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Not much point for people to sub-contract as temporary delivery drivers when they can sit at home and collect $2000 a month.

Everyone wants drivers, but nobody wants to supply the vehicles or pay the expenses plus a decent wage.

Interesting that Uber has fought against having their drivers considered as employees since their inception.

Now they want the government to identify the drivers as employees so Uber can access government funds to keep their drivers on the payroll.

Otherwise the drivers are going somewhere else and Uber has no business model.
Not everything revolves around MONEY. Some people are doing things to HELP, not for monetary reward. In the UK, they asked for volunteers to help with the Health Service, retired doctors, nurses, etc. etc. They had a target of 250,000 and in fact have got 500,000 volunteers responding to their appeal.

Here in Canada, people have also been volunteering to help wherever and in whatever way they can. I find the first sentence of your comment, disgusting. 'Not much point'. There is only 'not much point' if all that matters to you is how much money you can get out of it.
 

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The media are not focusing enough on what people are doing wrong. Instead we get 'cutesy' stories about how a family is spending their time in isolation, etc.

There are IMPORTANT messages they could be getting out to the public with their airtime. For example, I have learned that people are still showing up at our local hospital ER department when they think they may have the virus. This means, hospital staff are having to use up PPE, masks etc. when dealing with these people.

The message to not go to ER was being told several weeks ago and is no longer 'news' it appears. If someone has symptoms, the first thing they should be doing is making a phone call. Either to their doctor or Public Health. They will then be directed based on that conversation as to what they should do next. In most cases, unless the person is older or has underlying medical conditions, the advice will be to self-isolate unless their symptoms become severe.

In some cases, they will be told to go to a Assessment Centre. In our area, that is right across the street from the local hospital. Again, it is not for people who have no real symptoms and people should only be going their AFTER having had a phone consultation with their doctor or Public Health who will advise them if they should go to an Assessment Centre.

The media should be explaining this to people REPEATEDLY until people get the message clearly understood in their minds. What do they expect the hospital to do for them anyway? There is no cure, there is no vaccine. There is nothing a hospital can do for them unless they are at the point of serious issues which require intubation and a ventilator to help them breath.

If you get the virus you are going to be far more comfortable at home than in a hospital bed while it runs its course, UNLESS you get to the real serious level. The media and each of us, should be spreading that message to everyone we talk to. STAY HOME.
Shouldn't they be screening people outside the ER prior to entry? Could use a drive-through style two way speaker. Anyone who is there because of COVID fears, GTFO until you are tested elsewhere.
 

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Sags. Please remember you said that when we eventually get back to Universal Income debates and others just like it. I have been saying what you just said above, to deaf ears I will add, for a very long time.
Under UBI, you could be a delivery driver and still collect the 2k. That is the whole point. $2k only if you don't work is like traditional welfare, not UBI.
 

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It is that kind of thinking which will help to SPREAD the virus Beaver101. Every interaction, regardless of what precautions anyone takes, adds to the possibility of spread. That is why we hear the words, 'necessary' and 'non-essential' being used in all the advice we are being given.

You 'don't see why you can't go to the supermarket'. That's why, because when you do, YOU endanger others health. It's SELFISH to go if there is a way to get your groceries WITHOUT going. There is a way to get them without going, have them delivered.

As for 'if you don't mind or can wait that long'. Stop thinking like it was before this started. If you have to wait a week for delivery then WAIT a week. Learn to plan ahead and order today what you will need next week. Or is that too difficult for you to do? I MIND if YOU instead decide to put other people at RISK by acting in a way that is irresponsible, simply because you prefer to.
Galen sent a note last week asking that if you are healthy and not self-isolating, please come in to shop to leave pick-up and delivery available for those who need it.
 

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Nortel'd, while your efforts are quite complete, I would say your original objective was flawed. You appear to have started from the objective of, 'How can I go shopping for groceries and protect myself from the virus as completely as possible?' You have come up with quite a detailed plan for that.

However, what if you change the original objective to, 'How can I get groceries into my home and protect myself from the virus as completely as possible?' Different objective, different answer perhaps.

I can stay at home and order groceries delivered from my local supermarket. While in some locations, delivery times are perhaps as much as 10 days from order, it is not that difficult to plan even 10 days ahead in regards to what you will need to order. Pretty much all supermarkets are now delivering and only the most remote locations will not now have such service available. If you do that, there is no need for most of the precautions you are now taking.

When the groceries are delivered to your door, you can still wear gloves, disinfect each item as you unpack it, dispose of the gloves etc. and then give your hands a good washing. In other words, only the final steps are needed.

I need to go for groceries is OLD thinking. I need groceries DELIVERED is current thinking.
i think we will face a short term (maybe a few weeks or months) of not getting adequate delivery times. I’m already seeing delays of almost 3 weeks....at grocery gateway for example. As the cases and deaths rise in Canada, more will turn to online delivery and the ramp up by the grocers won’t happen in time. We have 2 scheduled pickups at differing grocers (sat and Wednesday). Hoping the toilet paper we ordered at one of them is actually available.
 

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^ Unless you're sick, disabled, or under mandated quarantine or live in the boondocks, I don't see why you can't go to the "supermarket" to buy your "necessities" and follow the "social distancing" to mitigate your risk of catching the virus. Right now, retailers (particularly grocers)' online delivery systems is overloaded and the waiting period to get your "foods" is like a week. Now if you don't mind or can wait that long, then ... by all means.
Don't understand. For those who are not "sick, disabled, or under mandated quarantine or live in the boondocks", there is nothing to stop them going to buy groceries and other necessities, is there?

We are in self isolation and would be under mandated quarantine if we had returned later than we did. Maybe they should have clarified that, but we act as though we are in mandatory quarantine. We get grocery deliveries when we want them. May be an advantage in living in a smaller town?

We don't plan on doing anything different once our 14 days is up.
 

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Nortel'd, while your efforts are quite complete, I would say your original objective was flawed. You appear to have started from the objective of, 'How can I go shopping for groceries and protect myself from the virus as completely as possible?' You have come up with quite a detailed plan for that.
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Making masks had nothing to do with shopping. I started making them because ... Back in late January, in preparation for air travel and wandering around a crowded Disney theme park I decided, if I could not buy my own mask to protect me from all those 5 foot 10 inch or taller humans standing, sitting or walking near me who have been told by WHO “it is okay to cough and sneeze into your sleeve or elbow”, I would haul out my old Singer sewing machine, do some online research, and start making my own masks to offer my 5 foot 2 inch frame some protection.
 

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Not everything revolves around MONEY. Some people are doing things to HELP, not for monetary reward. In the UK, they asked for volunteers to help with the Health Service, retired doctors, nurses, etc. etc. They had a target of 250,000 and in fact have got 500,000 volunteers responding to their appeal.

Here in Canada, people have also been volunteering to help wherever and in whatever way they can. I find the first sentence of your comment, disgusting. 'Not much point'. There is only 'not much point' if all that matters to you is how much money you can get out of it.
I wouldn't expect people to deliver my groceries on a volunteer basis.

The ability to deliver groceries to those who can't get to the store.....disabled, elderly, sick was already available before the virus and will continue.

There isn't enough capability to do it for everyone.
 

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I remember 40 years ago, we went to the grocery store, and the cashier put our bags into blue tote bins. They would put the bins on a conveyor that took the bins under the pavement and came up in a kiosk, where we would drive the car, pop the trunk, and the kids would put them into the car trunk.

Then they went self service to save dollars. Now we park the car, put a quarter into the shopping cart to unlock it, go shopping and bring everything out in the cart. Push the cart to the car. Load the groceries and push the cart all the way back to get our quarter back. Then walk back to the car and drive away.

Now we are back to pick up again.
 

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I wouldn't expect people to deliver my groceries on a volunteer basis.

The ability to deliver groceries to those who can't get to the store.....disabled, elderly, sick was already available before the virus and will continue.

There isn't enough capability to do it for everyone.
Old thinking sags. What is to stop supermarkets from simply changing into warehouses from which ALL items are delivered to your home? You say there is not enough 'capability', by which I presume you mean delivery drivers. What's to stop there from being enough drivers? The answer is there is nothing actually stopping that from happening.

Consider Uber eats etc. for example. They didn't exist until recently and then lots of people started using them. As the demand increased, the number of people willing to do that job increased. If demand for delivery from the supermarkets increases there is no reason why the number of people willing to do the deliveries will not increase.

The only thing that could stop it would be if there were not enough people willing to do the job. What the heck, I'll make this somewhat tongue in cheek remark. It's a good opportunity for all those unemployed GM Oshawa workers to find some work.
 

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The media are not focusing enough on what people are doing wrong. Instead we get 'cutesy' stories about how a family is spending their time in isolation, etc.

There are IMPORTANT messages they could be getting out to the public with their airtime.
I noticed that too. There are "common sense" reminders people should be thinking about.

Get your immune system in shape. Now.

-eat well, try to have a balanced diet.
-do some physical exercise; get on your bike. Walk briskly, skip rope. Whatever it takes to build up your cardio system so your body is ready to fight the virus.
-get outside and soak up some sunshine, (what little we get in March).
-make sure you're sleeping enough hours and not get rundown.
-turn your computer OFF. Watch a comedy movie, laugh a little. Relieve that stress
-take you vitamin C, echinacea, or whatever I'm a believe in cod liver oil. I take the Costco capsules and haven't been sick a day since in about 8 years or so.
whatever works for you...
 

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I noticed that too. There are "common sense" reminders people should be thinking about.

Get your immune system in shape. Now.

-eat well, try to have a balanced diet.
-do some physical exercise; get on your bike. Walk briskly, skip rope. Whatever it takes to build up your cardio system so your body is ready to fight the virus.
-get outside and soak up some sunshine, (what little we get in March).
-make sure you're sleeping enough hours and not get rundown.
-turn your computer OFF. Watch a comedy movie, laugh a little. Relieve that stress
-take you vitamin C, echinacea, or whatever I'm a believe in cod liver oil. I take the Costco capsules and haven't been sick a day since in about 8 years or so.
whatever works for you...
I found cod liver oil effective for Bursitus dotnet_nerd. However, you have to pay attention since Vitamin A does build up in the body and you can 'overdose' on it unlike say vitamin C which does not build up but instead, any excess is simply flushed out in your urine.

Some people seem to think you can take all the vitamins you want, that simply isn't true.
 

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Old thinking sags. What is to stop supermarkets from simply changing into warehouses from which ALL items are delivered to your home? You say there is not enough 'capability', by which I presume you mean delivery drivers. What's to stop there from being enough drivers? The answer is there is nothing actually stopping that from happening.

Consider Uber eats etc. for example. They didn't exist until recently and then lots of people started using them. As the demand increased, the number of people willing to do that job increased. If demand for delivery from the supermarkets increases there is no reason why the number of people willing to do the deliveries will not increase.

The only thing that could stop it would be if there were not enough people willing to do the job. What the heck, I'll make this somewhat tongue in cheek remark. It's a good opportunity for all those unemployed GM Oshawa workers to find some work.
the closest city to me...about 20 mins away....just approved Uber in the last few months. How long has Uber been around in Canada? Shows how long it takes for wide-spread Adaptation/conversion.
 

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the closest city to me...about 20 mins away....just approved Uber in the last few months. How long has Uber been around in Canada? Shows how long it takes for wide-spread Adaptation/conversion. And this about 90 mins away from Toronto. wonder how long it will take for all these new ways of doing things to reach the farther stretches of the country.
 

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I found cod liver oil effective for Bursitus dotnet_nerd. However, you have to pay attention since Vitamin A does build up in the body and you can 'overdose' on it unlike say vitamin C which does not build up but instead, any excess is simply flushed out in your urine.

Some people seem to think you can take all the vitamins you want, that simply isn't true.
Good point, oil-soluable vitamins (A, D, E) can accumulate in your liver. But one capsule a day is fine. I only take it in the winter during cold/flu season
 

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the closest city to me...about 20 mins away....just approved Uber in the last few months. How long has Uber been around in Canada? Shows how long it takes for wide-spread Adaptation/conversion.
Umm, I'm not sure what the approval of the city has to do with how long Uber has been operating in a given city. Uber never really pays any attention to a city until AFTER they have started operating there and the question then comes up in City Council of whether to ban it or not. They act first and then deal with any fallout later.

For example: Uber coming
 

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Old thinking sags. What is to stop supermarkets from simply changing into warehouses from which ALL items are delivered to your home? You say there is not enough 'capability', by which I presume you mean delivery drivers. What's to stop there from being enough drivers? The answer is there is nothing actually stopping that from happening.

Consider Uber eats etc. for example. They didn't exist until recently and then lots of people started using them. As the demand increased, the number of people willing to do that job increased. If demand for delivery from the supermarkets increases there is no reason why the number of people willing to do the deliveries will not increase.

The only thing that could stop it would be if there were not enough people willing to do the job. What the heck, I'll make this somewhat tongue in cheek remark. It's a good opportunity for all those unemployed GM Oshawa workers to find some work.

This is logistically a bit more difficult than you might imagine. I would think grocers are already thinking about how to do this, but to expect them to be able to do this in thousands of stores across the country quickly is a bit unlikely. Things you might not have considered: need considerably more staff to do the order assembly and delivery tasks than cashier staff that is freed up. Also IT infrastructure. All those pickers need devices, servers and connectivity to be able to do this. Consider that pick-up/dellivery is currently maybe 1-2% of the grocery market, it would take time to ramp up the infrastructure to get to a substantial number, never mind 100%.
 
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