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Inspectors found COVID 19 virus inside cabins 17 days after the passengers had left the ship.
 

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Yup and with our GM app we can remotely lock/unlock the car, beep the horn to find it in a parking lot, check the gas level and distance it will travel, start the car, locate the car, check the tire pressure, and get maintenance reports. It is all monitored by GM's Onstar and in addition you can push the button in an emergency situation to get help. The car is tracked and monitored 24/7. It uses Onstar software and the antennae on the roof of the vehicle.

People must be talking about older vehicles because pretty well all vehicles have similar systems today.

The manufacturers know what is going on with the vehicle, so if an owner wants to retain the warranty they best get the oil changed before it beomes part of the maintenance history of the vehicle. The point isn't if it is mechanically necessary to change the oil, but not doing so will void the warranty.
They can't void the warranty for small delays in oil change intervals.
 

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An expert on the virus was asked when it would safe to lift quarantines and lock downs.

He said when there is 0 infections reported for more than 3 weeks.

Trump is thinking of opening up everything now. He is fed up with Dr. Fauci and doesn't want to hear from the experts.

This is what he says publicly, but I suspect he is trying to blackmail the Democrats into agreeing with $500 billion given to Trump to decide where to spend it.

Trump is highly leveraged in his businesses. Some say his net worth is actually closer to 0 than $1 billion. His resorts and golf courses are empty.

There may be method to his madness.
 

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They can't void the warranty for small delays in oil change intervals.
I don't know if they can legally, but they can certainly use the opportunity to void the warranty and tell people to sue them.
 

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Inspectors found COVID 19 virus inside cabins 17 days after the passengers had left the ship.
I read where a US Aircraft Carrier had sailors on board with Covid-19 even although they had been at sea for 3 weeks. There was the possibility that it came from aircraft that had landed on the ship during that period. But question I had, was - How accurate is the 14 day isolation? Is it the same for all of us?
 

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They can't void the warranty for small delays in oil change intervals.
Nothing to stop anyone doing their own either. So long as they keep receipts and use approved products. I do three of our cars.

I don't mind paying the dealer for just an oil/filter change. Under $100 from Subaru for basic oil change, but required every 6 months or 8k km. Subsequent services are more $$$.
 

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Donald Trump said the virus will be gone by Easter on the same day the US suffers their worst day of COVID deaths.

Today alone, 163 people died of the infection. Over 50,000 people are infected and the US healthcare system is falling apart.

Dumbfuckery is a gift to be cherished in the minds of Trump supporters.
 

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To stop a virus, don't we need people to be immune, either through vaccine or by the natural method of catching the virus and recovering? If the virus then doesn't have enough people to infect, only then will it die out.

If we keep everyone cooped up, and there is no vaccine, it seems this will go one forever. What will stop it?

If they finally tell everyone to come out of isolation and start the economy again, then a single infected person can restart the cycle over again because no one is immune.

So do we wait a year in isolation until there's a vaccine? There would be no economy to restart.

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Some of the comments on this thread and others indicate to me that some people here and by extension some people everywhere, not just in this forum, still do not seem to be following the advice to stay home and avoid all unnecessary interactions with other people.

Notwithstanding the silly sidetracking of this thread to discuss oil changes, the point is that we should not be doing anything that can be avoided if it involves interacting with other people. When I read a comment that indicates someone went into a store to buy one bag of milk, that is example of such an interaction. If you need milk or anything else, you do not buy enough for 2-3 days, you buy enough for 2 weeks, so that you do not have to go out as often and you stock up on everything else you may need at the same time. .

People need to get the message that past habits need to be changed to suit current circumstances. Stop doing things as you have always done them and start doing them in a way that makes sense today. One of the reasons Ontario has now closed all 'non-essential' businesses, is that people were still going out to places like clothing stores, etc. Clearly, they were not changing their habits. This is not a time for 'retail therapy'.
 

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LTR,

Would you go out now knowing that you will likely get infected? And being in a higher risk age group, may die?

As I see it, the key is to test everyone and isolate those that test positive. Right now, the people working in essential services that are still open, like food stores, don't even know whether or not they have the virus, unless they get really sick and are sent home and tested. Otherwise, they can transfer the virus to the public at large, because we all need food (and other essential services)
 

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That is the conundrum. We are screwed or we are screwed. We are in unknown territory.

All of the scientists and experts say quarantine is the only option to buy time for a vaccine or treatment.

I think we have to trust the experts.
 

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LTR,

Would you go out now knowing that you will likely get infected? And being in a higher risk age group, may die?
No, I wouldn't go out, but if you allowed all the other younger demographic out they would build immunity by enough people catching the virus and recovering. Is this not the sad truth required to end a virus's life, other than a vaccine?

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No, I wouldn't go out, but if you allowed all the other younger demographic out they would build immunity by enough people catching the virus and recovering. Is this not the sad truth required to end a virus's life, other than a vaccine?

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To a point yes, it is likely the sad truth. Though with major outbreaks in certain areas containment rules will likely save lives overall.
 

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To stop a virus, don't we need people to be immune, either through vaccine or by the natural method of catching the virus and recovering? If the virus then doesn't have enough people to infect, only then will it die out.

If we keep everyone cooped up, and there is no vaccine, it seems this will go one forever. What will stop it?

If they finally tell everyone to come out of isolation and start the economy again, then a single infected person can restart the cycle over again because no one is immune.

So do we wait a year in isolation until there's a vaccine? There would be no economy to restart.

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Yes and no like_to_retire. In theory, if everyone isolates for a period of several weeks, the virus will die out as it cannot GET TO any more people for it to infect. But that is in theory. It would require pretty much 100% isolation of ALL people.

The second way to stop it is a vaccine.

Another theory is called herd immunity and that is the one you are describing, let enough people get it until it reaches the point it can't find anyone new to infect.

Boris Johnson started down the road of herd immunity on the advice of ONE advisor, until all the health officials screamed stop and he reversed course. Unfortunately, too late for many people and as a result they have far more cases per capita than we do right now.

Now here is something for you to ponder re herd immunity. If you choose that path, it will stop the virus but you have to consider at what COST in lives. It will quickly overwhelm the healthcare services and you will have a situation like they have in Italy and Spain where people are lying in corridors dying because there are not enough beds or ventilators to deal with the number of serious cases. Think it through for yourself. Herd immunity leaves unsaid but results in choosing to LET people die PURPOSELY. You 'take the hit' to get it over with.

I happen to have a second cousin in the UK who is a nurse in charge of a Cardiac Arrest Team in a major hospital. When someone's heart stops, her team rush to the patient to resuscitate that patient, just like you see on TV shows. She received an e-mail from a superior telling her that 'if a Covid-19 patient arrests, do NOT resuscitate.' She received that e-mail by error. It was not yet time for that step to be enacted. Kinda like the false alarm that went out from Darlington Nuclear Station a couple of months back. A message prepared to be sent out at a future time when appropriate that accidentally got sent out too soon.

That's a fact though like_to_retire. If you follow 'herd immunity' you will come to that point where you cannot deal with all the patients that will need an ICU bed, so you have to 'triage'. Choose do we give this bed to someone who needs it following say a traffic accident and surgery who has a good chance of recovery or do we give it to a Covid-19 patient who may still succumb to the virus tomorrow if we resuscitate them today.

My cousin was understandably freaking out and in tears. She SAVES lives, she does not LET people die. She had already made up her mind to ignore that directive and continue to attempt to resuscitate ANY patient who arrested. The next day, she took it up the ladder in the hospital hierarchy and got it cleared up. The e-mail directive was rescinded but the point is it EXISTED and it existed because until Boris Johnson reversed course from that approach, it would HAVE to be done at some point because there is no doubt at all that going down that road right now would massively overwhelm the healthcare system.


The best solution is a vaccine and that will come when it comes. They're working as fast as they can to get one but it takes time. So in the meantime, the best course is to try and contain the virus as much as possible, therefore the talk about 'flattening the curve'.
 

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LTR - There is nothing that says you become immune once you have been infected once and recovered. Ever had the flu more than once?
The previous SARS outbreak studies showed a immune response lasting 2-3 years.

Will covid-19 be the same? Time will tell once the studies are done.
 

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I looked it up. Viruses are constantly evolving, but it takes years to change significantly.

This virus is troubling scientists because it appears that it might be changing more rapidly.

They do say that often the small evolutionary changes actually hurts the virus's chances to spread until it evolves again.

The evolution is a continual experimental process for viruses trying to survive against immunization and drugs.

They often go latent until they have evolved enough to reappear. They have no brains but an incredible desire to reproduce.

They are not unlike plants in that regard. All of nature is driven to evolve to reproduce and survive.

If science could discover what internal process drives the need to reproduce, they could eliminate all harmful viruses and bacteria.
 
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