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Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51249208

The coronavirus appears to be spreading very quickly. Hospitals in China are over capacity.

The US State Department has closed their embassy and is evacuating their diplomats and staff and other Americans who want to leave.

President Xi is warning of a dire situation as the virus is spreading faster than expected.

There is a lot of activity underway.....they are building 2 new hospitals in a matter of weeks, quarantined millions of people, established checkpoints, banned travel, shut down the transportation system and many international brands such as McDonalds have closed their doors.
 

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First Canadian case in Toronto.

The guy was in Wuhan, got sick on the flight home, somehow passed through the airport "screening" and went home. They don't know if he took public transit.

His family is under "self quarantine". I hope they take the danger it more seriously than he did.

Now they have to trace all the people on the flight and anyone else he may have contacted. Not everyone displays illness but can still be a carrier and must be checked.

Given the guy was sick on the flight and had been in Wuhan, how did he get through screening at the airport ?
 

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We are not yet at peak panic but it is increasing nicely. Give it 2-3 more weeks and no one will care. The oil trade looks very interesting; the Libya outage is going to more than offset decreased demand and there may be a very quick tradeable snap back in February.
 

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Unfortunately I don't have high hopes of airport screening. One of the reports that came out after SARS said that the airport screening was a failure, totally ineffective: https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/sars-airport-screening-ineffective-study-says-1.485002

I hope the coronavirus amounts to nothing in the end and fizzles out, but I think this is one of those cases where fear and having our guard up is healthy.

Currently I am still planning on booking travel plans within North America and I'm speaking as a bit of a germaphobe myself. As I understand it, the main fear about this virus is the high likelihood for mutation, and becoming more deadly than it currently is. The current form does NOT appear to be tremendously deadly.
 

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Imagine a city 5x the population of Toronto locked down with no gas or transportation and no answer at 911. Overpopulation is scary

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Is anyone here considering wearing a face mask during air travel?

Many in China Wear Them, but Do Masks Block Coronavirus?

The studies cited there, including from SARS, suggest that just about any mask reduces the risk of infection (the mask will prevent someone from spewing liquid droplets directly into your nose/mouth). If this bug becomes more prevalent in North America, maybe it's not a bad idea to wear a mask during travel

The risk of becoming infected with the coronavirus in the United States — where there is only one confirmed case — is “way too low to start wearing a face mask,” said Dr. Peter Rabinowitz, who is co-director of the University of Washington MetaCenter for Pandemic Preparedness and Global Health Security.

But washing hands — frequently and before eating — is universally recommended. Hand sanitizer is effective against respiratory viruses. Experts also recommend washing hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, rubbing the hands together and ensuring all parts of the hands — the palms as well as the back of the hands — are washed.

It’s also important to keep your hands away from your face,” said Dr. Vaishampayan. “Respiratory viruses don’t infect through your skin, they infect through your mucous membranes: the eyes, nose and mouth.”
That last point is very important. Scratching your nose, touching your nose, eyes, or even just touching your face is a good way to get just about any cold/virus.
 

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The thing about flying is that aircraft are among the dirtiest places to be. The maintenance between flights is not the best, so germs are left all over the place from previous passengers.

I read somewhere that an inspection of an airplane revealed all kinds of nasties..........yuck.
 

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A lot of misinformation right now and speculation. The picture should become much clearer as time goes on of course.

Airport screening only looks at temperature. It's like airport security screening, it won't actually stop anything, it is just there to reduce FEAR. In other words, it's a joke. An infected person may be asymptomatic including not having an elevated body temperature. The question is, when does an infected person become a potential transmitter of the virus. In the case of SARS it was AFTER they showed symptoms while in this case it appears it MAY be being transmitted BEFORE a person shows symptoms and during the incubation period of up to 2 weeks. But even that is not 100% confirmed yet. As I say, it's too early yet and not enough hard facts are known.

Wearing a mask will protect OTHERS from someone who is infected being able to transmit the virus through droplets. In other words they can't cough on you. Wearing one will not protect the wearer to any real degree. IF the virus is transmitted by droplet, it would not extend to a whole airplane cabin, only to a small area of roughly 6 feet. Transmission by contact from your hands is less likely than from someone coughing. Wearing a mask to avoid someone coughing on your mouth and nose will not protect against a droplet getting in through your eyes. You'd need a full face mask for that. As I said, a lot of misinformation is going around.

What we know is that there is a new virus that has emerged and it CAN be fatal. Some people may suffer no more than a mild flu that they get over in a week or two. Some may suffer a more acute case and of those, some may die. That's what we know. SARS was roughly 10% fatal in reported cases.

What you can do to protect yourself is the same as you can do to protect yourself from the common cold or the annual winter flu that goes around. Good hygiene including using a hand sanitizer often yes but you will always still be at risk unless you avoid people entirely until it has run its course. Avoiding large groups of people is an obvious precaution and none more so than where large groups of travellers are to be found. ie. airports. You could catch this virus in your local supermarket but the chances are higher in an airport obviously.

Depending on how things play out, I do see this as POTENTIALLY affecting my travel plans in the near future. It all depends on whether they are able to contain it and bring it to an early end or not. In the case of SARS, the first case was reported in mid-November 2002 and WHO announced it was contained in mid-July 2003. In December 2003, WHO announced there had been 8096 cases reported in total and 774 deaths. Of those, Canada had 438 cases and 44 deaths. Looking at those numbers I would say Canada had a disproportionately high number given the population of our country. Canada is a country with a higher than average percentage of people of Chinese background which probably accounts for that I would think. What it tells me though is that we are probably at higher risk than in some other countries obviously.

To my way of thinking, you are at highest risk in an airport other than if you visited China. The question of whether an individual wants to take that risk is of course up to the individual. Just remember, the guy in Toronto walked through Toronto Airport on his way home and if he had coughed on you?

The odds may be long but the potential outcome is fatal, there's the rub. It is unlikely that you will be struck by lightening but you don't go and stand under a tree in a field to find out.
 

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It is believed the virus started by someone who ate "bat soup".

There are videos showing Chinese people eating bat soup and whole baby mice that they dip into sauces...........Cripes, what is wrong with those people.

Sorry........but I wouldn't be interested in trying the local deli food.

Sorry........I am not going to link to the videos. They are gross and people can Google them if they want.
 

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It is believed the virus started by someone who ate "bat soup".

There are videos showing Chinese people eating bat soup and whole baby mice that they dip into sauces...........Cripes, what is wrong with those people.

Sorry........but I wouldn't be interested in trying the local deli food.

Sorry........I am not going to link to the videos. They are gross and people can Google them if they want.
hehe, we don't often agree, but we agree on this.

Oy-vey, bat soup..............

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It is believed the virus started by someone who ate "bat soup".

There are videos showing Chinese people eating bat soup and whole baby mice that they dip into sauces...........Cripes, what is wrong with those people.

Sorry........but I wouldn't be interested in trying the local deli food.

Sorry........I am not going to link to the videos. They are gross and people can Google them if they want.

Diversity is our strength!
Assuming they're cooked properly and harbour no dieseases it's not an issue.

Your repugnance is just your cultural bias in action.
 

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Markets look to be in for a adjustment downward today related to the Coronavirus, not likely a long term event but maybe a good time to get out your watch lists for possible entry point.
 

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On the news this morning was a report on all the misinformation about coronavirus that is now being fed into social media. Some of it was downright ridiculous and yet it is obvious that some people will believe anything. One item was that if you eat spicy foods, it will stop you from getting the virus. I hear that eating spicy food will also stop a woman from getting pregnant. If you believe either of those contentions, I've got a bridge I want to talk to you about buying.

These kind of things just serve to show us just how much and how bad the influence of social media is having on people today. It's not facts that matter, it's how many people on Facebook etc. repeat something that is being believed.
 

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On the news this morning was a report on all the misinformation about coronavirus that is now being fed into social media. Some of it was downright ridiculous and yet it is obvious that some people will believe anything. One item was that if you eat spicy foods, it will stop you from getting the virus. I hear that eating spicy food will also stop a woman from getting pregnant. If you believe either of those contentions, I've got a bridge I want to talk to you about buying.

These kind of things just serve to show us just how much and how bad the influence of social media is having on people today. It's not facts that matter, it's how many people on Facebook etc. repeat something that is being believed.
... much like DT's famous screaming Twitter lines: FAKE NEWS!!!! which spread faster than the real viruses. The irony.
 

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It is believed the virus started by someone who ate "bat soup".
There are videos showing Chinese people eating bat soup ...
You mean the one filmed three years ago outside of Wuhan and China in Palau?


There is a genetic analysis report saying snakes are the last host.


Either way - where one is sick, whether one dies from it or not, will it matter whether the source was snake, bat, beef, lettuce or water?


Cheers
 

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Sure.......why would anyone want to know the source of the contamination. Just let everyone continue to eat the tainted products.
 
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