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The USA have not opened their border - yet. WH says it will open when their health people deem it to be safe to open.

Listening to CNN. Apparently a 145% increase in cases in USA, mainly due to the Delta variant, it just leaves me cold when I read we are opening. Albeit with fairly strict requirements. (Fully vaccinated and a recent negative test)

Can't imagine why Trudeau & co are doing this at this time.
 

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August 9th is far enough away to judge if it is prudent at the time.

If the US continues on it's current trajectory, I doubt we will open the border.

There is also an undercurrent developing in the US where doctors are weary of having to treat those who refuse vaccinations.

They are also having a difficult time staffing hospitals as people are quitting or taking time off for stress.

A 4th wave could be worse than the others simply because everyone is worn out.

Let's hope the vaccines prove highly effective against the worst symptoms at least.
 

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Listening to CNN. Apparently a 145% increase in cases in USA, mainly due to the Delta variant, it just leaves me cold when I read we are opening. Albeit with fairly strict requirements. (Fully vaccinated and a recent negative test)

Can't imagine why Trudeau & co are doing this at this time.
I don't get it either. Seems like a very bad idea to me.

US cases are trending higher and they might start getting out of control, just like the UK is now experiencing. Generally speaking COVID rates are higher in the US than in Canada. Once we open the border, we're going to be importing more active cases into the country.
 

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Business pressure. It's been going on since the first lockdown and travel advisory.
Exactly. This is corporate lobbying. It results in politicians making decisions in the best interests for businesses, rather than the public who they serve.
 

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Vaccines work. Time to open up. They are free and widely available here and in the US.
They do work, but are not 100% effective. Quite a number of cases of infections of those with two doses are showing up. Rare at the moment but partly because one can be infected, but have no symptoms. Yet still carry the virus.
Right now, the vaccine clinics on both sides of border are empty. Large numbers of Americans (and some Canadians) refuse to get vaccinated. CNN covered this this evening. Many reasons: Ideology, religion, mistrust of science, poor experience with health system (mostly among black population), etc etc.
Less than 50% of Americans are fully vaccinated. Canada percentage is slightly higher. We were slow to start, but far more Canadians wanted to get vaccinated. Just think, about a month ago we were complaining about the delay in getting our second doses!
I saw nothing about what type of proof of vaccination Americans will be required to provide. Border agents will now also have to be Covid police. They need something concrete to go by.

PS: I actually WANT the border to be open. In past we have spent over 25% of the year in the USA. However, I want it to be safe to go back. But sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon.
 

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They do work, but are not 100% effective. Quite a number of cases of infections of those with two doses are showing up. Rare at the moment but partly because one can be infected, but have no symptoms. Yet still carry the virus.
Right now, the vaccine clinics on both sides of border are empty. Large numbers of Americans (and some Canadians) refuse to get vaccinated. CNN covered this this evening. Many reasons: Ideology, religion, mistrust of science, poor experience with health system (mostly among black population), etc etc.
Less than 50% of Americans are fully vaccinated. Canada percentage is slightly higher. We were slow to start, but far more Canadians wanted to get vaccinated. Just think, about a month ago we were complaining about the delay in getting our second doses!
I saw nothing about what type of proof of vaccination Americans will be required to provide. Border agents will now also have to be Covid police. They need something concrete to go by.

PS: I actually WANT the border to be open. In past we have spent over 25% of the year in the USA. However, I want it to be safe to go back. But sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon.
Did anyone say they were 100% effective? They are far more than effective enough to stop mass death and hospitals from being overwhelmed even against the nastiest variants. I feel bad for anyone vaccinated who gets ill or sick from COVID because of the actions of selfish people who are not vaccinating. They will be punished though because vaccine passports are a thing and they can sit home and rot or be inconvenienced while other people get on with their lives. They are free and you can get a first shot anywhere in North America now by walking into clinics in almost every region, and 2nd shots in many places now too. Everyone I know in my family, friend, and work environment are vaccinated and we fully intend on living normal lives as such. I don't like the concept of vaccine passports for the record, but blame those who won't vaccinate for them. Or choose to live in lockdown land. Those are your options, because the government is in no rush to remove them and I don't blame them given the delta outbreaks.
 

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Did anyone say they were 100% effective? They are far more than effective enough to stop mass death and hospitals from being overwhelmed even against the nastiest variants.
Enough to stop hospitals from being overwhelmed? We don't know. That's a huge leap. We really don't know how effective they will be against newer variants. Also, until now, everyone was being very cautious, wearing masks, and not in high risk settings. Going forward, people are going to be spreading the virus to each other much more readily... because people's behaviour has changed!

Caution would be prudent, especially since new variants can pop up any time, and we really don't know how solid the vaccines under these conditions where everyone is engaging in high risk activities again. We are in uncharted territory.

I have no problem with Canada opening up domestically, but now opening international is an unnecessary and dangerous wildcard to add on top of this.

The correct thing to do would be to proceed with domestic re-opening, see how that goes for a few months and confirm that our hospitalizations aren't running away, and then gradually re-open international travel.
 

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We'll see the results in hindsight and by that time abit too late. Oh well.

It's interesting to see our borders are being opened to the Americans and yet the Americans are not reciprocating according to the article(s) above and below. That may be a good thing. All the reasons for "Canadians" to vacation and shop at home (y)!!!!

Fully vaxxed U.S. citizens can enter Canada Aug. 9, rest of world Sept. 7

WASHINGTON - Fully vaccinated U.S. citizens and permanent residents will be allowed into Canada as of Aug. 9, joined by the rest of the world Sept. 7, federal officials announced Monday as the country prepares to lower border barriers that were erected to limit the spread of COVID-19.

However, the United States is not currently planning to reciprocate by easing travel restrictions on would-be Canadian visitors hoping to go south of the border.

Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said he briefed Homeland Security Sec. Alejandro Mayorkas about the steps Canada intended to take, but got no indication that the U.S. would be following suit before the existing restrictions are set for renewal on Wednesday.

“He indicated to me at this time they have not yet made a decision; they anticipate their measures would likely be (extended) on July 21,” Blair told a news conference announcing the changes.


“They are obviously considering additional measures and data, but at the present time they have not indicated any plan to make any changes in the current border restrictions that are in place.”

That imbalance is sure to aggravate domestic political tensions around the border issue in the U.S., where a growing chorus of congressional lawmakers have been pressing President Joe Biden and his officials to embrace their vaccination success to date and ease international travel restrictions.


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Or choose to live in lockdown land. Those are your options, because the government is in no rush to remove them and I don't blame them given the delta outbreaks.
Don't know who you are preaching to here or why. This is about us allowing Americans into Canada when they have ever increasing new outbreaks of Covid. Preach to them, not us.
 

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“The long wait will soon be over for foreigners who have been banned from entering Canada for nearly 16 months.”

This is a highly misleading headline. What is missing are the attendant conditions to enter. That is, what American family is going to cross to see Niagara Falls and have a snack, a Beer, go to the Casino for a day... at an additional cost of $400 per person for 2 tests?

And vice versa for Canucks going to fill their face with Chicken Wings?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOBODY!

There is no significant change here- whatsoever! A completely false announcement.
 

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This is a highly misleading headline. ...
... not quite, it would depend who is reading it. For some, it's status quo. And there would be some Canucks (likely a minority) who can't wait to will their face with Chicken Wings! And this urge for those wings was like months ago, not just now with this headline.

Plus Americans don't mind spending $400 (drop in the bucket) to do all the above + spread (or share) their love (aka virus) for us Canucks.
 

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It is strange that the Americans are not reciprocating with opening the land border since it was them doing the bitching and complaining about Canada dragging its feet with respect to coming up with a border reopening plan.
 

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Patience grasshopper...the political theatre dictates that Canada moves first then in a great act of condesention the USA will reluctantly open her thighs/err borders.
 
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