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They are somewhat similar, but there are notable differences.

Conservatives are more committed to giving tax cuts / tax breaks which target the wealthy: things like cutting GST, income splitting, Canadian corporation tax loopholes. So you might call it "stimulus" if you want, but it flows to the wealthy while it runs up deficits. The Conservatives serve the interests of the rich, especially business owners.

The wealthy don't need that kind of extra help. Harper's aggressive cuts to the GST were bad for the country (but great for the rich). It hurt the country's finances very badly.

IMO the Conservatives are following the Republican playbook. When you hear them whipping up anti-Trudeau anger, pumping up western & rural pride, and encouraging xenophobes these are really just manipulative techniques to motivate poorer people to vote their way. That's required because you realistically can't get enough voters to actually support the interests of the rich, since the rich are a minority of the population. Republicans do the exact same thing.
I of course see it differently.

Not taking money from people should be the default position, you should only seize assets when it's truly important. Far too much money is wasted.

Liberals want to tax and spend like crazy. They're literally giving away hundreds of millions of tax dollars to all sorts.
They routinely give millions or hundreds of millions in handouts to large corporations, piles to friends and families, foreign countries. Then with the pandemic they gave billions more to some Canadians and not to others. It was completely arbitrary and unfair. Sure he sent a few thousand to some families, but not to others. Let alone the millions he tried to give to his friends.

The real problem is the the Liberals don't even pretend to care about people or fairness.
They really honestly don't believe that people have a right to their own labour, and we should all be slaves to the state.
 

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It’s amazing to watch two of my friends get wealthier (kudos To them, both entrepreneurs) and more conservative in their beliefs, at the same time.
 

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It’s amazing to watch two of my friends get wealthier (kudos To them, both entrepreneurs) and more conservative in their beliefs, at the same time.
Well for many people, money money money is all that matters. Conservatives primarily exist to serve the rich, so it's natural that many wealthy people will support the Conservatives.

I'll say it again... the other stories about fiscal conservatism, caution about budgets, concern for rural people, concern for Albertans, it's all fake. This is just marketing. In fact many rural people and down-and-out Albertans will probably benefit more under NDP policies.
 

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worried about pension being taxed? I'm worried about having a pension at all... my premier wants to detach from the CPP and create an alberta pension plan. mismanaged by AIMCo, of course.
 

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worried about pension being taxed? I'm worried about having a pension at all... my premier wants to detach from the CPP and create an alberta pension plan. mismanaged by AIMCo, of course.
Were Aimco the ones which lost billions in amateur volatility bets this yet? Searching... yes, they were. They lost $4 billion and became the laughingstock of the investment banking world after making highly complex derivative bets which "blew up".

I share your worry @Barwelle . Hopefully Alberta stays with the CPP and gets additional help from Ottawa as they get through this storm.
 

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Well for many people, money money money is all that matters. Conservatives primarily exist to serve the rich, so it's natural that many wealthy people will support the Conservatives.

I'll say it again... the other stories about fiscal conservatism, caution about budgets, concern for rural people, concern for Albertans, it's all fake. This is just marketing. In fact many rural people and down-and-out Albertans will probably benefit more under NDP policies.
Conservatives are concerned about the fundamentals of society so that wealth can be generated and we can be more prosperous.

Liberals are greedy socialists who just want to redistribute the fruits of others labours, and don't care about wealth creation.
 

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I'm worried about everything being taxed and the economy being killed. What happens if hospitals have to shut down because there's no money left to fund them? Cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. kill people too. How about all the people who put off going to a hospital because they didn't want to risk being in contact with Covid people, and it turns out they have serious problems that are more dangerous than the risk of Covid? What about all the people who may have troubles feeding themselves? Covid kills--maybe--1% of 1%; starvation kills 100%.

How about schools, colleges, universities that may have to shut down, perhaps terminating the graduation of several years' worth of cohorts?

Here's the law of unintended consequences starting to play out.

This is what happens when everything is driven by a single issue. Sheesh! The talking heads keep spewing out garbage about how we have to look at the big picture--but they are the ones not looking at the big picture.

We hope this virus dies out soon, but I keep thinking about something said by a character (Dr. Ian Malcolm) in the movie, "Jurassic Park": "Nature always finds a way." (Or something to that effect. ) The point applicable to this situation is, I think we are wrong to put our faith in scientists who promise to have a vaccine within a year. Not going to happen, so let's stop acting like it will. We need to make decisions now under the assumption that a vaccine will not be available in the near future.

So, what are we going to do? Are we going to maintain measures that are worse than the virus itself?
 

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Conservatives are concerned about getting elected and staying elected. Really, hardly much difference between Liberal and Conservative. It is strictly our gang and your gang. They steal each other's platforms on a regular basis. Whatever works.

Their respective card carrying members may have different perspectives. But in the back rooms, the PMO, or the Opposition Leader's Office, the movers and shakers within each party the goal is the same. And from what I have seen over the years from both parties, any means justifies the end...to get elected and stay in power. To think otherwise would be a little naive.
 

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I miss Harper a lot.


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No country was buying ventilators for $10,000. There was a global competition for them and prices soared from $20,000 US to $50,000 US per unit.

Do the Conservatives actually believe that Trump would have allowed a US company to ship 10,000 ventilators to Canada for $10,000 each?

The US was stopping shipments of PPE at the CAN/US border. Trudeau had to practically "smuggle" PPE out of China from a nondescript warehouse.

In a way I hope there is a full inquiry into it now. It will reveal the Conservatives for who they have become under their current leaders.

But I would rather Trudeau declare a non confidence vote, call an election and let Canadians decide.

 

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Michelle Rempell tabled a motion to investigate all companies that supplied Canada with emergency COVID supplies, among a litany of other things.

It is reported the Conservatives, NDP and Bloc will support the motion.

Trudeau should make it a non-confidence vote, call an election and let Canadians decide.

The Conservatives just want to create chaos in the middle of a pandemic. They want to fiddle while Canada burns.

Erin O'Toole has enabled the right wing element of the Conservatives and has already lost control of his caucus.

 

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What do people think would have happened if there was no lock downs ?

Would the world just continue on with the virus running rampant and increasing numbers of people becoming sick and needing emergency care ?

What if the doctors and nurses became sick and couldn't treat the patients ? What if the police and paramedics got sick ?

What if the service workers became sick and couldn't deliver goods and services, food and utilities to Canadians ?

What if the nursing home staff all got sick and couldn't care for the residents ? What if workers simply decided not to expose themselves to the virus ?

The lockdowns were designed to enable the above essential workers to keep Canada as safe as possible for all Canadians.

The COVID was and is bad enough with the lock downs. I think without them it would have been a disaster 100 times worse than we are dealing with now.
 

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As the OP of this thread, I was hoping for some rational thoughts around finances and how to prepare family, friends, for the long term rather than political bickering. Sortition to form government can't come fast or soon enough. Surely even a 10 year old knows you cannot spend more than you generate.....without consequences....
 

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Sortition to form government can't come fast or soon enough. Surely even a 10 year old knows you cannot spend more than you generate.....without consequences....
I take it from your language that you would support the Conservatives.

The Conservatives had inherited a budget surplus of $14 billion in 2006 which they quickly turned into a deficit. During this incredibly long 10 year stretch in government, the Conservatives ran mostly deficits except for the final year. And no it wasn't just because of the 2008 crisis. Harper actually started running a deficit before the 2008 crisis hit.

You said you want a chance to elect someone new. Who do you want to elect? Surely not the Conservatives, the party of chronic deficits and poor fiscal management.
 

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I take it from your language that you would support the Conservatives.

The Conservatives had inherited a budget surplus of $14 billion in 2006 which they quickly turned into a deficit. During this incredibly long 10 year stretch in government, the Conservatives ran mostly deficits except for the final year. And no it wasn't just because of the 2008 crisis. Harper actually started running a deficit before the 2008 crisis hit.

You said you want a chance to elect someone new. Who do you want to elect? Surely not the Conservatives, the party of chronic deficits and poor fiscal management.
Trudeau doesn't even understand why a balanced budget is a good idea, and he shows no signs of ever making a budget at all, let alone a responsible budget.
 

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I worry about the old age security. I know its small but i count on it for retirement and thats not for 10-15 years! I don't know if i should count on it. cpp seems healthy.
 

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I take it from your language that you would support the Conservatives.
Sortition: Government by casting lots-no professional politicians-no parties. Only the unlucky few who draw the short straws would have to govern. That what I support. We do it for juries, might as well do it for the entire government. Maybe we would get better financial decisions.

They are destroying the middle class for the great reset. They want us to own nothing. Above video produced by the world economic forum.
Interesting if not stupefying video. What is with the attack on meat? Does the Seventh-day-Adventists lead the world economic forum?
 
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