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So the good news is that it would appear the recent media attention to this issue in Banff at least has got the RCMP paying attention.
I doubt that anything will come out of it, but at best they may get a flag when they try entering Canada again. It makes for an interesting situation if they really are traveling to Alaska and need to drive back though.
 

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Many People Cross Our Borders ....

In January of 2005, the CBC reported that, “A Vancouver man has won an out-of-court settlement from the RCMP after an incident in which he says he was illegally searched by an American police officer.” The incident occurred when “David Laing was driving on a highway near Hope, B.C., when he was pulled over by a man with a heavy Texas accent,” who then told Laing that “it was a British Columbia road check. And he asked [Laing] for [his] driver's licence and [his] vehicle registration.” The article quoted Laing as saying, “I'm being pulled over and given directions by an American who won't identify himself.” It just so happened that Laing was also a police officer in Vancouver, and so he “refused to let the officers search his car. Under Canadian law, police officers don't have the right to perform that kind of search.” The CBC further reported that, “The American was a Texas state trooper working with a member of the Hope detachment of the RCMP.” After giving Laing a ticket for having two different addresses for his insurance and registration, “a different RCMP officer and Texas trooper stopped his car, decided he was driving under the influence of marijuana, and searched his vehicle and two-year-old son,” and “The police found no drugs and despite saying he was impaired just moments earlier, let him go.”24
The report then went on to explain that “The Texas state troopers were in B.C. as part of an exchange program with the RCMP to spot and stop drug traffickers. Called Pipeline Convoy, the program involves training officers to detect people who are lying or trying to hide things from police.” Further, “The RCMP settled with Laing out of court when he threatened to sue for unlawful detention. But the Mounties defend the search, saying Laing looked suspicious because his eyelashes were fluttering and his eyes were flashing.” The BC Civil Liberties Association stated that, “Laing's case presents a series of concerns – from using unreliable profiling techniques to a wrongful vehicle search, not to mention using an American police officer to pull over Canadians.”

In 2002, when US Northern Command (NorthCom) was launched, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld stated unilaterally that the US Military could cross the border and deploy troops anywhere in Canada, in our provinces, as well station American warships in Canadian territorial waters.
Enhanced Canada-U.S. Security Cooperation and the Bi-National Planning Group

The United States only recognizes Canadian sovereignty over its Arctic islands and not the Northwest Passage.

In 1988. an ageement was signed between Brian Mulroney and Ronnie Ray-Gun in which the Americans would always ask for permission before sending icebreakers through the Northwest Passage, and Canada would always grant it.
 

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Calm, that 2005 CBC story about the Texas cop certainly reduces the credibility of the CBC. The story invites the reader to infer that American cops are being clothed with police powers in Canada and that the protagonist, Mr. Laing, himself a cop, brought a quickly-settled lawsuit raising that allegation.

Assuming there was a U.S. cop involved at all, I would guess he was a ride-along to observe and not to exercise police powers himself. At bottom, it seems that the nature of the complaint, if there was one, was against an unlawful arrest and detention - a breach, inter alia, of s. 9 of the Charter and a correspondingly illegal search incidental to arrest, in breach of s. 8. The article does not mention an arrest but, if indeed there was a search, it must have followed an arrest. Even a rookie RCMP would know there could be no search with no arrest. We are told nothing of what provoked the alleged second stopping of Laing's vehicle and what were said to provide reasonable and probable grounds for arrest.

The whole story has a bad smell to it. Lots left out, or falsely reported, or something else.
 

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Calm, that 2005 CBC story about the Texas cop certainly reduces the credibility of the CBC. The story invites the reader to infer that American cops are being clothed with police powers in Canada and that the protagonist, Mr. Laing, himself a cop, brought a quickly-settled lawsuit raising that allegation.

Assuming there was a U.S. cop involved at all, I would guess he was a ride-along to observe and not to exercise police powers himself. At bottom, it seems that the nature of the complaint, if there was one, was against an unlawful arrest and detention - a breach, inter alia, of s. 9 of the Charter and a correspondingly illegal search incidental to arrest, in breach of s. 8. The article does not mention an arrest but, if indeed there was a search, it must have followed an arrest. Even a rookie RCMP would know there could be no search with no arrest. We are told nothing of what provoked the alleged second stopping of Laing's vehicle and what were said to provide reasonable and probable grounds for arrest.

The whole story has a bad smell to it. Lots left out, or falsely reported, or something else.
And none of it has anything whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread.
 

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And none of it has anything whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread.
That's is certainly true. There needs to be swift action taken against those among us (that would include me) who often times stray from the topic at hand and those who would turn an otherwise orderly focused discussion into an anarchical free-for-all. Banishment and fines would help to restore order.

It is perhaps the case that some topics tend to be a bit ill-defined or are so broad that it will not always be easy to ascertain where one has strayed beyond the boundaries of relevance. I would say that absolute authority must be vested in the moderators whose decisions will not be open to challenge, by way of judicial review or otherwise. It would be too cumbersome, I submit, to have a Rules Committee that would have to deliberate on every alleged transgression. Best left to individual moderators
 

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This thread was about American's entering Canada.
I was trying to point out that they are crossing the border all the time and daily.
American military and American businessmen crossing into Canada.
If this thread was about immigrants seeking refuge, then I would admit to being off topic.
Was this thread only about those who could not afford airfare?
Canada has "Fortress America". American Capitalists own Canada,
 

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This thread was about American's entering Canada.
I was trying to point out that they are crossing the border all the time and daily.
American military and American businessmen crossing into Canada.
If this thread was about immigrants seeking refuge, then I would admit to being off topic.
Was this thread only about those who could not afford airfare?
Canada has "Fortress America". American Capitalists own Canada,
Which part of 'Americans vacationing in Canada without quarantining' did you find hard to understand calm?

Seeing the word Americans does not mean any comment relating to Americans is close enough.
 

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More news of American assholes getting into Canada.

What's disturbing in that story is that when they tried to report the car load from Washington State, they go the 'run around'.

There is no excuse whatsover for Americans supposedly transiting to Alaska, to be on Vancouver Island. The RCMP needs to be told to jump all over this if they get such a call from the public.
 

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Another American couple not complying with the quarantine rules when entering Canada.

Checking half a dozen links to this news, each one says exactly the same thing. In other words, they simply repeat the Police report they are given but ask no questions, do no research. They don't say why they were allowed to enter or whether or not they were put into quarantine or allowed to continue on their way. If I were a news reporter and the RCMP told me they had fined this couple, I would have been asking those two questions at least.
 

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$1000 fine for breaching quarantine is much too lenient.
Assuming you can even collect it andrewf.

What really annoys me though is that we aren't told HOW they were allowed to enter. I can't see someone entering through Ft. Frances saying they are transiting to Alaska. So what ESSENTIAL reason could they have for entering?

What is too lenient in my opinion is our news media. Simply cut and pasting the RCMP press release should not be enough for any competent news editor to accept.
 

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Lol there are about 100,000 people crossing the border every day without isolating...
Trudeau doesn't follow Covid rules either.
 

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Well... a $750k fine. Things have escalated. I doubt he'll actually pay, but it's likely that he wouldn't be allowed back in if it isn't paid.

Kentucky man faces $750K fine for breaking quarantine rules by detouring to Banff
He was fined $1200 bgc_fan and then the next day when found to be violating the rule again, he was CHARGED with a violation and is required to appear in court where he CAN be fined up to $750,000 and also be given jail time.

The media always quote the big sensational number but never make it clear the person was NOT fined that amount YET.
 

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Lol there are about 100,000 people crossing the border every day without isolating...
Trudeau doesn't follow Covid rules either.
More and more Canadians are reporting those they suspect are breaking the rules Eder, whether it is Americans transiting through to Alaska or Canadians returning home from out of the country.

The same is happening with large gatherings/parties, etc. where people are breaking the group size and physical distancing rules.

Even out of province plates are getting people hassled from BC to the Atlantic Provinces.

 

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Yesterday I came across a Virginia license plate (in a BC park). Looks like the fines haven't been a major deterrent.
 
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