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I'm suggesting that what is new, is China's aggressive territorial policies, and the extent to which they will go to secure an increasing supply of resources from outside China. They are making many incursions along their borders.
That said, as both you and Sags have indicated, this is not new - and it likely won't end well for China or any other country/army who tries.
You've already mentioned that China has been adding to its pocket a number of countries by loans as part of the belt and road initiative. Afghanistan is just another link. Their success will depend on how they deal with the Taliban and other warlords/remnants of the Northern Alliance. If China is willing to just pay money for access, I doubt they need to actually bring in forces if they are willing to deal with everyone and accept some loss due to some inefficiencies, i.e. bribes.
 

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Between 2013 and 2016, the US gave Afghan forces more than 600,000 light weapons, such as M16 and M4 rifles and nearly 80,000 vehicles, as well as night vision goggles, radios and more, according to a 2017 Government Accountability Office report. Even more recently, the US Defense Department supplied the Afghan military with 7,000 machine guns, 4,700 Humvees and more than 20,000 grenades between 2017 and 2019, a report from the special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction found.
 

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Peace deal with the taliban had the condition of no attacking American troops and not dealing with terrorists like al qeuda. So far those two points have been upheld.
 

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Yes. Evacuation of Canadian citizens and interpreters who helped our forces is led by Taliban.
It might actually turn out to be better for them, as Canadian government is incompetent and failed to do anything on the subject in past 3 years (when the pressure to get the interpreters help has started).
Taliban for a short period of time will want to appear to be 'civilized', at least until media coverage of Afghanistan ends.
 

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The Taliban will return Afghanistan to an Islamic state and say they will honor rights......in accordance with Islam.

If their words are trustworthy, then I would trust them at their word, not what we hope their words might conveniently mean.
 

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There are many more people in Afghanistan who will be the targets of the Taliban than manage to find a way out.

It isn't just interpreters, but also bankers, lawyers, judges, municipal leaders, police officers, teachers, and anyone else who aided the US or NATO forces.

In the Taliban's minds.....for 20 years they aided the enemy in the assault on Taliban fighters and their families, and are not going to be so easily forgiven.
 

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Well, it is too bad that Canadian government literally left them to death.
They had 3 years! That's how long ago voices to get interpreters and staff out of there lasted for.
But hey, let's wave to the press during election campaign while sending people who helped Canadian Forces to die.
 

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I agree........it is shameful there was so little planning involved, but Canada didn't know that Biden was going to suddenly pull out with no plan at hand.

Trump signed the peace deal, and the Canadian government should have started moving people out, but millions of Afghans want out and that isn't a realistic goal for Canada. The Canadian government put too much trust into the ability of the US to plan for an orderly withdrawal of forces.

The biggest mistake was made when we went into Afghanistan.
 

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Anyone who read media after US election knew it will happen.
Yet our intelligence agencies, minister of defense, and prime minister didn't?
They should be fired if that is true.
And if they let those people there to die because they simply didn't give a ****........
Not talking about millions of Afghans. Talking about interpreters and those who directly helped Canadian Forces. There were calls to evacuate them long time ago, yet government doesn't give a rats *** about them and left them to die.
People representing Canada don't have a single inch of spine between them.

We should airlift Trudeau, Sajjan, and any army decision makers who had a say in this decision, and trade them to the Taliban for actual heroes that fought and helped to fight for this nation.
 

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A Canadian woman trapped in Afghanistan said armed Taliban came to her house several times looking for her Afghan husband.

He is a doctor who treated wounded US and NATO soldiers. Fortunately, he is in hiding elsewhere in Afghanistan.

The Taliban is asking people at checkpoints why they are going to the airport.

There is only one logical answer and so they take down their names and addresses, refuse their passage and send them away.

They will be dealt with later, away from the cameras and media.
 

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I am not sure that Canada could simply whisk Afghans away without the approval of the standing Afghan government.

They likely would have had to been clandestine operations and even the US may not have allowed that.

Even if possible, it would have been very limited in scope, and the details won't be revealed to the public.
 

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For all we know, the Canadian government could have been giving passage to as many Afghans as they could, without raising alarm bells.

Just yesterday, a Canadian reporter on the scene said the Canadian government told Canadians to show up at the Kabul airport wearing red to identify them.

The word got out and thousands of Aghans showed up at the airport gates wearing red.

It created a scene where the Canadians couldn't be identified in the crowd and couldn't get to the gate, so they didn't get out.
 

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That is completely not true. You don't have to have permission of local government to get people out to save them from retribution of......local government. That's ridiculous.

They screwed up and left people for death.
Trudeau, Sajjan, and whoever else is responsible and accountable should be traded to Taliban for as many good people as we can get for them. They are a disgrace
 

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The biggest mistake was made when we went into Afghanistan.
While I agree, I also don't really think Canada had much of a choice in the situation. NATO is probably the most important defensive treaty Canada belongs to, and when the American's put out the Article 5 bat-signal (for the first and only time it has ever been used), we really didn't have a lot of flexibility how to respond.

Our involvement was only to fulfil our obligations under NATO and not for any direct national interest in Afghanistan or Al-Quaeda the Taliban or any other **** over there. The real outrage is having Trump dissing NATO and pissing on other NATO countries after our lot got killed, injured and otherwise f**ed-up pursuing their stupid crusade.
 

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I agree......we were basically forced into a stupid war.

We lost 158 fellow Canadians, had thousands suffer injuries and 191 veterans took their own lives after returning.

The US will go to war again, because that is what they do. War and all that military Rambo stuff is in their DNA.

Years ago I saw a t-shirt in the US that had a picture of the US flag with a fighter jet flying over it., and words that said........these colors don't run.

Yea ......whatever.
 

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While I agree, I also don't really think Canada had much of a choice in the situation. NATO is probably the most important defensive treaty Canada belongs to, and when the American's put out the Article 5 bat-signal (for the first and only time it has ever been used), we really didn't have a lot of flexibility how to respond.

Our involvement was only to fulfil our obligations under NATO and not for any direct national interest in Afghanistan or Al-Quaeda the Taliban or any other **** over there. The real outrage is having Trump dissing NATO and pissing on other NATO countries after our lot got killed, injured and otherwise f**ed-up pursuing their stupid crusade.
Defence from whom?! From US?! In any case there is a NORAD!
 

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NORAD is really just an agreement to allow the US control over Canadian airspace for collective defense.
 

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NORAD is really just an agreement to allow the US control over Canadian airspace for collective defense.
So, it's enough! Why Canada should be member of NATO at all?!
Switzerland, Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta, and Sweden aren't NATO members and are doing fine!
 

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Ukraine isn't a NATO member and they got invaded by Russia.

NATO recently met with Ukraine officials and increased their military activity around Russia as a show of force.

If NATO accepts Ukraine as a member, Putin will have to give Crimea back.
 

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Ukraine isn't a NATO member and they got invaded by Russia.

NATO recently met with Ukraine officials and increased their military activity around Russia as a show of force.

If NATO accepts Ukraine as a member, Putin will have to give Crimea back.
Yeah, right lol . You live in some imaginary world 🤣.


Inviting Ukraine to join NATO would be a significant strategic mistake. Bringing that nation — or another former Soviet republic, such as Georgia — into the alliance would not improve European security. Quite the contrary.”

Also “ Immediately after the adoption of the law (racist language law) Hungarian Minister of Foreign Affairs Péter Szijjártó announced that Hungary would block all further integration of Ukraine into NATO and the European Union and offered to "guarantee that all this will be painful for Ukraine in future."

And why do you compare Ukraine to Canada?! Do you think that after QC or AB will separate from Canada and would like to join US, NATO will interfere?! Lol
 
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